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S/V Adeline 16-09-2020 17:34

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Originally Posted by fstbttms (Post 3234512)
You don't get it. [/I][/B]

What I do get, is if the prosecutor had the evidence the indictment suggested, all three men would have pled guilty to conspiracy. As it unfolded, conspiracy only applied to the parent company.

Bycrick 16-09-2020 17:57

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No, you don’t get it. "Fraud and conspiracy to make and distribute an unregistered pesticide." Do "we" want to do business with "convicted felons?" If we follow your logic, then every dealer of coke, or meth, or grass would be in the same ball park. Just because they plead guilty doesn’t even prove much. Every day in the papers there’s some poor schlump who pleaded guilty rather than take a chance on the system actually working the way it was supposed to. So, even at worst, they did the crime, they did the time. Are they any worse than your neighborhood coke dealer? Just because you believe that all right-thinking people should care about what you do, doesn’t make it so.

fstbttms 16-09-2020 18:43

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Originally Posted by S/V Adeline (Post 3234519)
What I do get, is if the prosecutor had the evidence the indictment suggested, all three men would have pled guilty to conspiracy. As it unfolded, conspiracy only applied to the parent company.

You're not an attorney and neither am I. But I've watched enough TV to know what a plea deal is. And all four (not three) of these guys got one. They were all initially charged with conspiracy to defraud the United States, conspiracy to commit mail and wire fraud, wire fraud and sale of unregistered pesticide. Additionally, David and Erik Norrie and New Nautical Coatings were charged with obstruction of justice. The Norries and Tommie Craft were also charged with misuse of a government seal. The US District Attorney didn't bring these charges because they weren't confident they had the evidence. But the government settled for an easy, quick win, as happens every single day.

So it was not just the company that did the deed and the players were just swept up in it. This is a small, family-run company and they all knew what they were doing. They knew to the tune of two million dollars, which is what they garnered selling an illegal product while lying to their customers and the government about it. Justify and rationalize their crimes all you want. These guys are criminal scumbags who are knowingly and intentionally killing the environment and I'll tell anybody who will listen all about it.

S/V Adeline 16-09-2020 18:53

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I am not justifying anything that was done. I just pointed out if they had the same evidence against all parties, all would have gotten similar deals. As it happened, one received significantly higher punishment than the others (unless I missed it, three were named in the article)
The article states they pled guilty to different crimes. You provided the article. I !!NEVER!! suggested they should not have been punished.
You are getting all bent out of shape over nothing. I was just curious if the guilty pleas matched the indictment, and for 2(3?) they didn't

fstbttms 16-09-2020 18:58

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Originally Posted by S/V Adeline (Post 3234567)
I was just curious if the guilty pleas matched the indictment, and for 2(3?) they didn't

You clearly don't understand what a "plea deal" is. These guys pleaded guilty to lesser offenses.

"A plea bargain is an agreement between a defendant and a prosecutor, in which the defendant agrees to plead guilty or "no contest"in exchange for an agreement by the prosecutor to drop one or more charges, reduce a charge to a less serious offense, or recommend to the judge a specific sentence acceptable to the defense."

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclope...a-bargain.html

S/V Adeline 16-09-2020 19:13

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I fully understand what a plea deal is, and I know any prosecutor worth a crap only lets you plea so low.
One was fined 1.2m, the others only $*up to* 200,000, according to the article. That and the fact they pled guilty to a different crime suggests some evidence was lacking against those 2. I never suggested anyone was innocent, but I highly doubt the prosecutor said, well, let's punish one and let the others off lightly. They had more evidence against the top dog, which only makes sense.

Supers0nic 30-10-2020 08:07

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I applied Seahawk 44 in August 2019. Every time I think itís time to clean the bottom there is nothing to do. Only a little bit of scum at the waterline.


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