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monte 05-09-2015 10:11

Seahawks islands 44 issues
 
Well it's time for new antifoul and I was considering Seahawks islands 44 but there seems to be quite a few issues with unhappy customers down in Grenada at the moment with the paint either not working or falling off soon after application. I don't know if it's a quality issue or application issue. Does anyone else have any experience with recent application?
Cheers
Monte

svlamorocha 05-09-2015 10:24

Re: Seahawks islands 44 issues
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by monte (Post 1907953)
Well it's time for new antifoul and I was considering Seahawks islands 44 but there seems to be quite a few issues with unhappy customers down in Grenada at the moment with the paint either not working or falling off soon after application. I don't know if it's a quality issue or application issue. Does anyone else have any experience with recent application?
Cheers
Monte

I know lots of happy users of this paint in the BVI.

captainjay 05-09-2015 10:38

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We use Island 77 on a whole fleet of boats. We tested about 8 paints. It has worked out to be the best bang for the buck. If it's coming off that's bad prep work.

Jay

svadagio 05-09-2015 10:55

Re: Seahawks islands 44 issues
 
Used Island 44+. Certified applier. Trinidad. Has come off in 11 months. Not falling off. It is turning to powder and coming off. Same in Grenada where we are now. One person here says Tradewinds took the lead out recently. Do not know if that is true or the reason.
Bob

jreiter190 06-09-2015 07:56

Re: Seahawks islands 44 issues
 
Had Sea Hawk hard bottom paint close to two years. It's still in great condition and I got a lower rate from my bottom cleaner because he just had to wipe the slime off. Very few barnacles. Boat is in Indian (soon to be in the Banana) River. Hauling out day after tomorrow.

monte 06-09-2015 08:35

Re: Seahawks islands 44 issues
 
Hmm, sounds like it was good. Maybe there is something they have changed. I guess I'll be looking for another product.

SVNeko 07-09-2015 05:48

Re: Seahawks islands 44 issues
 
Well, let us know the results of your research.

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rourkeh 09-09-2015 09:08

Re: Seahawks islands 44 issues
 
Used Islands 44 three coats over two years ago and boat has been sitting in shallow hot dirty water for more than a year and it is just about time to redo the bottom. Nothing else I have ever used lasts this long or works this well. Use the booster additive. Application is VERY important or it will fall off, also if you hire a monkey to clean your bottom with a scraper and a wire BBQ brush no bottom paint will last.

straitscrew 10-09-2015 03:09

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The Islands 44 comes in two types...SOFT as sold in Budget Marine but a HARD version as sold at Island Water World. Both are self ablating and the rate at which the anti fouling wears off depends upon distance sailed. I use the HARD type but it is relatively soft compared to some other anti fouling paint such as Petit Trinidad. This meant that any contact with the bottom brushed off the anti-fouling to the extent even cleaning the prop created a cloud of very expensive paint in the water. Cleaning the bottom was a definite Do Not!
I used to regularly sail about 15000 miles annually and it would wear away in about 5-6 months.
The solution was to apply a base paint...a hard compatible anti - fouling first. Then apply the Islands 44 ( hard ) over that and let it dry out for a day at least before launching.
This gave 5-6 months trouble and maintenance free sailing. You could then do some bottom cleaning on the hard base coat once the softer paint had worn away!!


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svadagio 10-09-2015 03:14

Re: Seahawks islands 44 issues
 
Most that I have talked to here in Grenada that have issues used 44+ (soft).
I used the 44+. Maybe 44 (hard) is better.
Bob

Beausoleil 10-09-2015 11:14

Re: Seahawks islands 44 issues
 
While in Grenada in 2012/2013, we had Seahawk Islands 44, purchased through a local importer (Wholesale Yacht Parts), applied by certified personnel at Grenada Marine in St. Davids. Within 3 months, the primer began to show through the paint - even though we were anchored the entire time in Mt. Hartman Bay. I don't have the paperwork handy, so I don't remember which specific 44 it was.

Long story short - after talking with several others, I contacted Seahawk and was told that a specific batch was being recalled. They sent new paint from a different batch for no charge, and we had it applied at Spice Island Marine Services. Had we had it done at Grenada Marine (the original applicators), they would have paid for labor too. We had already contracted with SIMS for long term storage, we opted to pay the labor charges in lieu of hauling the boat twice.

The paint's still going strong here in Virginia. Wish I could say the same thing about the brightwork, though...

landonshaw 12-09-2015 04:22

Re: Seahawks islands 44 issues
 
Was the Island 44 the hard or soft? I'm in Grenada getting ready to haul out at Spice Isle in 2 weeks and have the bottom done.


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Boatguy30 12-09-2015 05:00

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Is any paint work good these days? I used Ameron ABC 15 months ago. Has a great reputation. Worked good for about 2 months. I guess on the plus side it hasn't seemed to have gotten much worse in last 12 just equally not good. I have seen more growth locally on newer Trinidad. I put 3 coats and am planning to scrub it hard the next year before hauling. Maybe something new will come along.

colemj 12-09-2015 05:36

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Originally Posted by landonshaw (Post 1912596)
Was the Island 44 the hard or soft? I'm in Grenada getting ready to haul out at Spice Isle in 2 weeks and have the bottom done.

The "hard" version of that paint is not a hard paint. It is a soft ablative - about on par softness-wise with Micron 66 (in other words, very soft).

The regular or "soft" version is so soft that just looking at it causes clouds of paint to release.

Mark

C Skip R 04-12-2015 10:26

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I have used SH Islands 44 for the past 10 yrs. Only had to apply it 3 times in 10 yrs. The last time it was applied was the new hard. Wouldn't use any other paint.

fstbttms 04-12-2015 10:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by C Skip R (Post 1978411)
I have used SH Islands 44 for the past 10 yrs. Only had to apply it 3 times in 10 yrs. The last time it was applied was the new hard. Wouldn't use any other paint.

Also illegal to sell, apply or use in the U.S., BTW. Glad to see that you are so concerned about being a good steward of the environment. :rolleyes:

monte 04-12-2015 16:55

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We ended up using 4 4l tins of seajet platinum (2 part) for 2 1/2 good coats. Price about $250/ tin. This is what lagoon uses ex factory. Supposedly similar to micron 66 medium ablative, although it seems quite hard. Had a major hassle with barnacles and ended up sanding a lot of the boat back to gel coat. 3 days on the random orbital sander...fun...
Because we went back to gel coat we also applied seajet primer. I'll report back on the outcome in 18 months hopefully...
We also applied prop speed to the props and had a few issues with the primer gelling so we will see how long that lasts. So far so good but only a month of sailing since we hauled out at Grenada marine. Grenada marine was ok, a pretty nice little yard but we didn't have any work done by the yard contractors (who quoted me USD$2000) just to sand the old antifoul.
Quite a few boat owners were having hassles getting their works finished by the yard as they seem to leave things to the last minute. Who woulda thunk it in the Caribbean?
If I had realised the extent of the work required I'd likely have sailed to Trinidad and had it done there. Itchy skin from dry sanding antifoul and applying new antifoul then cleaning it off with thinners reminded me of my boatbuilding days, grinding fibreglass in engine bays..
Well what doesn't kill us makes us stronger (or dead quicker..)
:cheers:

As far as the seahawk issues, a lot of cruisers had replacement paint supplied and possible haul outs paid for by seahawk so I guess they had a bad batch.

Boatguy30 04-12-2015 18:03

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16L of paint for a 40' boat? That seems like a huge amount of paint.

Boatguy30 04-12-2015 18:04

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Is it illegal to use TBT paint you already own? What are you supposed to do with it?

fstbttms 04-12-2015 18:21

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Originally Posted by Boatguy30 (Post 1978784)
Is it illegal to use TBT paint you already own? What are you supposed to do with it?

Yes, it is illegal to sell, apply or use it in the U.S. and most other seafaring nations. Take it to your local household hazardous waste collection site.

DotDun 04-12-2015 18:29

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Originally Posted by Boatguy30 (Post 1978778)
16L of paint for a 40' boat? That seems like a huge amount of paint.

We put 6 gallons of bottom paint on my boat.

Dulcesuenos 04-12-2015 19:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Boatguy30 (Post 1978784)
Is it illegal to use TBT paint you already own? What are you supposed to do with it?

Put it on when you go back to the bahamas

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colemj 05-12-2015 06:06

Re: Seahawks islands 44 issues
 
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Originally Posted by Boatguy30 (Post 1978778)
16L of paint for a 40' boat? That seems like a huge amount of paint.

That is what it takes to put 3 coats on our 40' boat - and our hull area is less than a L400. So that amount for 2 coats on a L400 sounds about right to me.

Mark

colemj 05-12-2015 06:09

Re: Seahawks islands 44 issues
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by monte (Post 1978735)
We ended up using 4 4l tins of seajet platinum (2 part) for 2 1/2 good coats. Price about $250/ tin. This is what lagoon uses ex factory. Supposedly similar to micron 66 medium ablative, although it seems quite hard. Had a major hassle with barnacles and ended up sanding a lot of the boat back to gel coat. 3 days on the random orbital sander...fun...
Because we went back to gel coat we also applied seajet primer. I'll report back on the outcome in 18 months hopefully...

I got lost here - you are going back to Seajet Platinum after having major barnacle issues with it previously?

Mark

Boatguy30 05-12-2015 06:22

Re: Seahawks islands 44 issues
 
Guess its good I stuck to 34' this time. I put over 3 coats of ABC on using less than 10L.

On my heavy displacement 43' ketch I got about 1 coat per 3 quarts using Hydrocoat which rolls out pretty good.

I also always use a 4" roller and a small custom roller tray. It would be interesting to weigh all rollers, trays, and brushes before and after a bottom job as I was always shocked at how much seems to dry up and be wasted when using big rollers. There is almost no wastage when using a small roller and tray.

monte 05-12-2015 06:52

Re: Seahawks islands 44 issues
 
Yes Mark. Painting in the Caribbean heat, I found the paint went on a lot thicker than previously so I'd say 2 thick coats would equal 3 normal coats in cooler climates. Our previous antifoul was applied ex factory so I'm hoping part of the reason for needing to renew it was that it was applied fast and thin. I'm also thinking a few weeks in the st martin lagoon took a year off its life with the scrubbing required afterwards. We will see...
Seahawk wasn't an option due to the quality issues (and of course environmental issues FB)
Micron 66 was but it required a barrier coat which I didn't expect to have to apply when I bought the seajet. Btw sherry at Grenada wholesale has micron for $250/gallon.
Also I read a post online where someone had used seajet and micron 66 on their yacht in the Caribbean over different seasons and found the seajet slightly better. I was also considering coppercoat but decided against it due to the preparation involved. In hindsight sailing to trini and having coppercoat applied may have been preferable.

C Skip R 05-12-2015 07:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fstbttms (Post 1978444)
Also illegal to sell, apply or use in the U.S., BTW. Glad to see that you are so concerned about being a good steward of the environment. :rolleyes:

Paint is sold and put on in the Bahamas. My boat is kept in the Bahamas where its legal.

fstbttms 05-12-2015 07:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by C Skip R (Post 1979077)
My boat is kept in the Bahamas where its legal.

I doubt that is true, considering what you wrote in the "Hard or Soft Bottom Paint" thread:

Quote:

Originally Posted by C Skip R (Post 1978750)
(Sea Hawk Islands 44) has worked well for me and we have many users here in FL.

And even if it is true, using a TBT paint legally is still a dick move.

Boatguy30 05-12-2015 08:05

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I looked in all stores last winter and did not see any TBT paint in the Bahamas. I'd don't believe it's any longer available. Did not inquire about ordering.

C Skip R 05-12-2015 08:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Boatguy30 (Post 1979110)
I looked in all stores last winter and did not see any TBT paint in the Bahamas. I'd don't believe it's any longer available. Did not inquire about ordering.

Yes its still available in the Bahamas that was a rumor. A friend just picked up some last week.

Nicholson58 17-08-2018 04:19

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Originally Posted by rourkeh (Post 1910744)
Used Islands 44 three coats over two years ago and boat has been sitting in shallow hot dirty water for more than a year and it is just about time to redo the bottom. Nothing else I have ever used lasts this long or works this well. Use the booster additive. Application is VERY important or it will fall off, also if you hire a monkey to clean your bottom with a scraper and a wire BBQ brush no bottom paint will last.

Totally agree. We did two seasons. Note that even the HARD is quite soft. https://www.seahawkpaints.com/produc...4-plus-harder/ Note this paint has TBT. Not allowed to be sold in the US

Nicholson58 17-08-2018 09:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fstbttms (Post 1978799)
Yes, it is illegal to sell, apply or use it in the U.S. and most other seafaring nations. Take it to your local household hazardous waste collection site.


I presumed the OP was not in the us where private owners may not obtain 44.

FYI. Available throughout the Caribbean. I have found it in chandleries from Nanny Cay to Trinidad. It is still used in the US or itís far more toxic cousins on commercial and military vessels. All get waivers, all have enormously larger bottoms. Toxic paint issues were noted only in a few US basins with poor flushing. It was then made illegal for private use everywhere. The issue of fouling along with ethanol destroying my engines, stranding me at sea was deemed unimportant by legislators. At least in the Caribbean my motor runs and I donít need to haul and repaint which adds an annual load of additional toxins each time. Far better to reapply two or three years apart with no scraping. 44 is so effective that you donít scrub any of it off over the life of the paint. I assist my cruising mates scrape with scotch brite every time they need to up anchor because they are using inferior paint. This sluffs off in great toxic clouds in the lagoon.

This is not unlike herbicides and pesticides not available unless you are a licensed applicator or farmer.

fstbttms 17-08-2018 09:17

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Originally Posted by Nicholson58 (Post 2698304)
t is still used in the US or it’s far more toxic cousins on commercial and military vessels.

100% completely untrue. Where do you get this drivel? TbT paints were banned worldwide and not because they "were noted only in a few US basins with poor flushing." The damage caused by these paints decades ago is still being recorded today. And while the US Navy can use anything they like on their bottoms, they are actually a leader in non-toxic anti fouling research. In any event, they do not use TbT paints on ANY of their vessels. Do you know why? Because the Navy has to do business in ports all over the world and in almost every one of those ports, TbT paints have been banned. Same goes for commercial shipping. And there is no special dispensation for them.

I understand that you feel the need to justify poisoning the planet so that you can have a clean bottom. But maybe you should consider being part of the solution instead of being part of the problem.

Seman 14-10-2018 11:06

Re: Seahawks islands 44 issues
 
I antifouled my boat in March this year in Trinidad with 3 full coats of Seahawk 44 Harder and an additional coat around the waterline.
Within 4 month the paint was polished off, not peeled off, in some areas down to the primer.

My rudders and dagger boards were painted with ablative Pacifica Plus, this paint is still intact.

There is obviously a problem with the Seahawk 44. Has anybody got a similar problem with Seahawk 44?
The company rep. seems to think I'm the only one.

C Skip R 14-10-2018 12:38

Re: Seahawks islands 44 issues
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Seman (Post 2741473)
I antifouled my boat in March this year in Trinidad with 3 full coats of Seahawk 44 Harder and an additional coat around the waterline.
Within 4 month the paint was polished off, not peeled off, in some areas down to the primer.

My rudders and dagger boards were painted with ablative Pacifica Plus, this paint is still intact.

There is obviously a problem with the Seahawk 44. Has anybody got a similar problem with Seahawk 44?
The company rep. seems to think I'm the only one.

You didn't mention whether the Islands 44 was applied over another bottom paint. If so it will not stick. It is great paint and used a lot in Fl and Carribean waters.

Seman 15-10-2018 06:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by C Skip R (Post 2741521)
You didn't mention whether the Islands 44 was applied over another bottom paint. If so it will not stick. It is great paint and used a lot in Fl and Carribean waters.

If the paint doesn't stick to existing paint, it will peel off.
My paint is polished or worn off.
There are 2 other boats with the same problem, the boats were professionally primed and painted. Same paint, different colour!

fstbttms 15-10-2018 08:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by C Skip R (Post 2741521)
It is great paint and used a lot in Fl... waters.

It's illegal to use in the U.S., chief. Just sayin'.

T Swart 22-05-2019 09:34

Re: Seahawks islands 44 issues
 
We were the unlucky recipients of four gallons of the Islands 44 Plus Hard that is failing. We had it applied in Grenada and sat in Prickly Bay after splashing on April 9, 2018. By the end of June, big patches of primer were visible along the waterline and it grew and grew. I've been dealing with Seahawk for almost a year now. Hopefully it's going to be resolved in the next week or two, but it is going to cost us some money. Not a happy camper.

rudykruger 14-01-2020 21:43

Re: Seahawks islands 44 issues
 
Thought I would add to this thread as well (I posted this in a new thread as well).

Our boat was hauled at Bradford Marine in Freeport, Bahamas during December 2019 for bottom paint and other work. The bottom paint is Islands 44 Plus Harder.

The Islands 44 Plus bottom paint application was a saga. It was applied directly over the prior paint. Constant blisters - mainly on the outer starboard hull and keel and to a lesser extent on the port hull - developed in the paint, right up to the day of splashing the boat 2 weeks after painting started. Bradford re-coated the blistered areas several times, sometimes with sanding and a barrier coat, sometimes with sanding only, and sometimes without either sanding or barrier coat. Usually the re-coated areas were done in neat squares as it was rolled on in patches of varying sizes...

So, boat prep sub par. Based on what I know now this won't last...

This is the condition of the bottom ~3 weeks after application in the video below. During that time the boat was at a slip facing north, with about equal daily sun on the port vs starboard sides. I was expecting to see blisters and peeling, and instead found a jungle of growth mostly in nice square patches on the troublesome starboard hull but also other areas where Bradford "fixed" blistering issues.

Thoughts, comments? Where is this going?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKGSD_uC9Ug&t=30s

fstbttms 14-01-2020 22:26

Seahawks islands 44 issues
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rudykruger (Post 3055787)

Thoughts, comments? Where is this going?



When you apply an anti fouling paint that has been banned by almost every seafaring nation on the planet because of its horrific effect on the environment, you get what you deserve. No sympathy here, chief. I hope this costs you thousands.


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