Cruisers & Sailing Forums (https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/)
-   General Sailing Forum (https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f2/)
-   -   Can't take much more of this global warming (https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f2/cant-take-much-more-of-this-global-warming-118377.html)

Tbrad 06-01-2014 08:53

Can't take much more of this global warming
 
Harrumph! Got up this a.m. at eight and saw -5 F on the thermometer. Three hours later it reads -10. No relief forecast for tomorrow. BUT there is a really great 20 knot wind for the rest of the day! :whistling:

IdoraKeeper 06-01-2014 08:57

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
That's what you get for hanging out in Ohio.

Tbrad 06-01-2014 09:00

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IdoraKeeper (Post 1433020)
That's what you get for hanging out in Ohio.

Yeah Yeah but I leave for Whidbey Island on the 23rd of this month. Keep a boat at the Oak Harbor Marina. Keep my wife in Ohio so I have to "visit" here at least six months of the year.:D

GordMay 06-01-2014 09:06

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
Currently, in Thunder Bay, -26.0F, with -53F Wind Chill.

Normal daily Max: +14F , Min: -6F

bobofthenorth 06-01-2014 09:16

Its hovering right around freezing on the left coast - frost on the dock @ Newcastle Island this morning. Later in the week it will warm up again (and start raining again). It beats being in SK this time of year.

Tellie 06-01-2014 09:23

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
You guys are lucky, it's January, do you have any idea how much it costs to run the AC down here?

Sheesh, some people don't know how good they got it.

bobofthenorth 06-01-2014 09:44

Just so we're clear, I absolutely was NOT complaining. We love winter cruising in the PNW. The docks and anchorages are empty, the radio is quiet, the chandleries are happy to see a real live customer. Last night we had a wonderful halibut potluck with the only other boat on the dock and the park super - winter boating is really great.

AnchorageGuy 06-01-2014 10:18

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
Here in north central Florida on the St. Johns River, our overnight forecast is for 20 degrees with wind chill in the single digit. If you actually look at the science, global warming has been attributed to colder winters and more snow events. As the polar ice caps melt, it allows the Polar Vortex to weaken and plunge south. It's a little more complex than just that but we can expect more winters like this in the future. So the plan is to move farther south. Chuck

HappyMdRSailor 06-01-2014 10:27

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
Single digit with wind chill double digits below.... in the balmy South
:(

PS: 1 entry door frozen shut....

captain58sailin 06-01-2014 10:57

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
Geez Tbrad, it's colder there than in Homer. I feel for you.

senormechanico 06-01-2014 10:58

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tbrad (Post 1433015)
Harrumph! Got up this a.m. at eight and saw -5 F on the thermometer. Three hours later it reads -10. No relief forecast for tomorrow. BUT there is a really great 20 knot wind for the rest of the day! :whistling:

It's been freezing every night and very little wind for quite a long time here on Whidbey.
Currently, partly sunny and 30 F. NO wind.

DeepFrz 06-01-2014 11:46

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
Quote:

Here in north central Florida on the St. Johns River, our overnight forecast is for 20 degrees with wind chill in the single digit.
That should help with the air conditioning bills.
-43c (49 f) wind chill here at 10 am. No aircon bills this month.

klmmicro 06-01-2014 11:52

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
Sheeeesh...I was feeling chilled at 45f!

sailingduke50 06-01-2014 11:56

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
We just had 38 cm of snow with > 100 kph winds and we lost our power for 14 hours, on for 4 hours and off for another 11 hours. I want to burn my snowblower to stay warm but, alas, I have to use it again when I get home. Good news is, I am off to Deltaville, VA on January 25 to sail down the AICW to get to Nassau as soon as I can.

ravinracin 06-01-2014 13:17

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
Yesterday was 68f and sunny. I worked on my boat. I decided to stay home today because it is 54f and overcast. I guess I don't know how good I got it.

DeepFrz 06-01-2014 13:30

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
Quote:

We just had 38 cm of snow with > 100 kph winds and we lost our power for 14 hours, on for 4 hours and off for another 11 hours. I want to burn my snowblower to stay warm but, alas, I have to use it again when I get home.
Even I bow to that...

AnchorageGuy 06-01-2014 13:41

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ravinracin (Post 1433207)
Yesterday was 68f and sunny. I worked on my boat. I decided to stay home today because it is 54f and overcast. I guess I don't know how good I got it.

Yesterday was 74 and sunny and today is 45 with temps still dropping, dreary and really windy. It WAS good but not so much any more. Wind chills tonight will be in the single digits. In a few days it will be back into the mid 70's. Go figure. At least we have something to look forward to besides Spring. Chuck

S/V Alchemy 06-01-2014 17:53

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
How global warming can make cold snaps even worse – Quartz

I know there are plenty of climate skeptics here, and given the load of old bollocks some self-appointed "experts" have bleated over the years, I am a touch skeptical myself. But I've tried to stick to the hard science literature, which is not in the habit of making sweeping claims, and from what I've gathered, it goes like this:

Energy from the sun hits the earth. Various greenhouse gases act as a sort of blanket. Burning stuff also adds heat, which is also just energy.

More energy means greater swings: higher highs AND (this is the counter-intuitive part) lower lows. More storms OR same or fewer storms, but of greater intensity. The pendulum swings farther as it has a greater push. The weather becomes erratic; seasonality lessens.

So whether this year is merely the "return of the pre-1990 winter" or some function of their being enough energy to push around polar lows farther south than usual, I can't say. But we've been talking about this climate change business for only 30 years or so...an eyeblink...and what can I say? Pilot charts aren't what they used to be. Is it solar cycles? Orbital dynamics? Chinese coal plants? All of the above? Dunno, and don't care much, either. If it's "nature", we are largely powerless to stop it. If it's "anthrogenic", we are largely powerless to stop it because humans are greedy monkeys who will Do As They Please until the view's obstructed by a heap of skulls.

But I found the thesis in the above link plausible.

And now, if you'll excuse me, I have to station a cube heater next to the laundry room water pipes. One split open on the weekend, and I just don't feel like soldering tonight!

bobofthenorth 06-01-2014 18:00

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
The problem with all the so-called "science" around climate change or global warming as it used to be called, is that it doesn't work. In the rest of the scientific world you make a hypothesis, derive some predictions and then test to see how observations match the predictions. In the climate change world though the predictions simply don't line up with the observations.

I don't think any animal should mess its own nest. But I also don't support massive income redistribution in the name of pseudo-science that simply doesn't work.

AnchorageGuy 06-01-2014 18:03

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
Some interesting but not too technical reading on the subject and how it might cause changes in the weather,
Does Snow and Cold Weather Disprove Climate Change? | Union of Concerned Scientists
Is Global Warming Causing Harsher Winters? | Weather Underground
Chuck

Nicholson58 06-01-2014 18:16

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tellie (Post 1433033)
You guys are lucky, it's January, do you have any idea how much it costs to run the AC down here?

Sheesh, some people don't know how good they got it.

Yup. this is FFFFFFine. Minus - I have no idea yet tonight. I've shoveled and blown tons of snow as the guy with the big machine. The city plows our cul-de-sac a few day after the storm - maybe, so I clear the entire circle and 5 driveways. One neighbor hande me a bottle of single malt last night. It was greatly appreciated but the hardest I've ever worked for a drink:)

I checked the Muskegon NOAA cams today and saw a nutter out beyond the harbor light on a kite board in 35 knots wind at 2 deg F flying over the ice pack. I'd rather NOT be sailing. I'd seriously rather be sweating in the sun and worying about mildew.

gordwedman 06-01-2014 18:48

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bobofthenorth (Post 1433440)
The problem with all the so-called "science" around climate change or global warming as it used to be called, is that it doesn't work. In the rest of the scientific world you make a hypothesis, derive some predictions and then test to see how observations match the predictions. In the climate change world though the predictions simply don't line up with the observations.

I don't think any animal should mess its own nest. But I also don't support massive income redistribution in the name of pseudo-science that simply doesn't work.

Unless you are a meterologist, or other qualified scientist, I don't think you have much of a base upon which to criticize the work that has been done.

Lake-Effect 06-01-2014 19:01

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bobofthenorth (Post 1433440)
The problem with all the so-called "science" around climate change or global warming as it used to be called, is that it doesn't work. In the rest of the scientific world you make a hypothesis, derive some predictions and then test to see how observations match the predictions. In the climate change world though the predictions simply don't line up with the observations.

I don't think any animal should mess its own nest. But I also don't support massive income redistribution in the name of pseudo-science that simply doesn't work.

Sorry, Bob.

Do not accept info you haven't researched yourself, there's just too much BS out there, and too many people paid handsomely to do the BS'ing. Believe me, it's not the scientists getting rich right now.

Important point: weather isn't climate. Weather is "today, next week", climate is "this decade, this century"
Second: most experts (real ones, not TV pundits) think the observations are tracking the predicted trend reasonably well. A couple cold winters do not derail the trend
Third: the ocean is heating up significantly. Short term - it absorbs heat spikes, but it will become a more important driver of heating trends in the future.

Let's study the problem and lay out some proposals before getting too antsy about "income redistribution".

DeepFrz 06-01-2014 19:05

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
Cold here, now, last month, next month is weather, not climate. Just talked to a woman in Italy lives near the Alps. Warm, much warmer than normal. Weather, not climate.

bobofthenorth 06-01-2014 19:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect (Post 1433514)

Sorry, Bob.

Do not accept info you haven't researched yourself, there's just too much BS out there

I agree 100%. And most of that B.S. comes from the warming alarmists.

Quote:

Second: most experts (real ones, not TV pundits) think the observations are tracking the predicted trend reasonably well.
You might want to fact check that claim. The truth is that the IPCC has revised their 2013 projection down 3 times to try to get it more in line with the observations. In point of fact the earth has been COOLING for 17 years now. Its an inconvenient little fact but a fact nonetheless.

Quote:

Let's study the problem and lay out some proposals before getting too antsy about "income redistribution".
Works for me except that the income redistribution is well underway despite the lack of evidence to support it.

S/V Alchemy 06-01-2014 20:54

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bobofthenorth (Post 1433556)
Works for me except that the income redistribution is well underway despite the lack of evidence to support it.

Income redistribution in the form of grants, subsidies, slush, porkbarrelling and graft is always underway. Look at agriculture and fracking. This is no different.

The point revolves around the amounts involved and whether or not they serve a greater purpose.

What is spent on scientists doing AGW research pales in comparison to ethanol subsidies, for instance. Corn for fuel is about the biggest boondoggle going...but you'll never hear a farmer complain.

four winds 06-01-2014 21:42

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
Google image search for "Earth temperature trend line"

earth temperature trend line - Google Search

Hard to find one trending down the last 17 years.

four winds 06-01-2014 21:58

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
Here's an interesting article on how charted data can be manipulated towards ones' own bias.

Did global warming stop in <strike>1998</strike>, <strike>1995</strike>, <strike>2002</strike>, <strike>2007</strike>, 2010?

Seafrontiersman 06-01-2014 23:58

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
I am lying to an anchor just West of the Head of Passes of the Mississippi and its 28 with freezing spray, which I've never seen in the gulf before. This global warming is kicking our ass!

Wonder what Al (the ice caps will melt by 2014) Gore has to say about this?

s/v 'Faith' 07-01-2014 00:08

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
Just had to get up and open a second hatch here in Elizabeth Harbour, anchored off of volleyball beach... Just not enough breeze to sleep even without any covers or clothes...

Oh the hardship!

mausgras 07-01-2014 00:11

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
The US may be experiencing some unusually cold "weather" but 2013 was t the hottest year on record for Australia.

goboatingnow 07-01-2014 03:01

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
The correct term is climate change , not global warming anyway


dave

sailorboy1 07-01-2014 04:30

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
it is cold outside!

don't understand why somehow that becomes a debate

jeanathon 07-01-2014 05:48

All I know is the ice on the inside of my windows is providing an extra layer of insulation against the dreaded global warming. Brrr.

mausgras 07-01-2014 06:01

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sailorboy1 (Post 1433757)
it is cold outside!

don't understand why somehow that becomes a debate

Because if it is cold outside it is boring sitting at home with nothing else to do

IdoraKeeper 07-01-2014 06:09

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
I hope all of you take notice that all of this cold air is coming from Canada! Clearly they don't want it and are sending it south. I am sure that if the US would approve that pipeline all this aggressive coldness would stop. Who can imagine what they are up to up there. ( As I sit warming my butt in front of my Canadian wood stove.)

Lake-Effect 07-01-2014 07:21

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IdoraKeeper (Post 1433822)
I hope all of you take notice that all of this cold air is coming from Canada! Clearly they don't want it and are sending it south.

It comes with the tarsands. No extra charge. You're welcome. :p

Today its -22 C (-4 F) here in Toronto, at Pearson Airport, with enough of a breeze to make it a frostbite risk. They suspended airport operations (no landings no takeoffs) til 9 AM, cos it was "too cold for outdoor operations"...

(The poor dears. Where I grew up, we'd still have to go to school in -30 C weather. And imagine if Winnipeg's airport closed every time it dipped below -20 C, right DeepFrz ? ;) )

But, by the end of the week, it will be above 0 C for about 3 or 4 days, with rain. Then, that will all freeze.

-sigh- only 15 weeks to spring launch. At least the Toronto Boat show is on next week.

jackdale 07-01-2014 07:27

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bobofthenorth (Post 1433440)

But I also don't support massive income redistribution in the name of pseudo-science that simply doesn't work.

Bob

Please do not propagate this myth.

Site like c3headlines quote-mine comments in a manner that completely misrepresents the original intent.

I have both that site and the original interview.

jackdale 07-01-2014 07:29

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by goboatingnow (Post 1433730)
The correct term is climate change , not global warming anyway


dave

Both are acceptable. GW is a subset of CC.

jackdale 07-01-2014 07:35

Re: Can't take much more of this global warming
 
"November's worldwide average was 1.40F (0.78C) higher than the 20th-century global average temperature of 55.2F (12.9C). It was the sixth warmest of any month since record-keeping began in 1880, marking the 345th consecutive monthmore than 28 yearsthat temperatures were above the 20th century's average."

Global Temperature for November Was Hottest on Record

UAH data shows December as warmer than November.

Latest Global Temps Roy Spencer, PhD


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 09:22.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.


ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.