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letsgetsailing3 21-11-2013 09:42

Re: Greek Tax !!!!!!
 
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Originally Posted by NornaBiron (Post 1396602)
The law was passed yesterday - guess we'll be leaving!

I'm sure they'll miss you.

Are you leaving on principle, or are there other places as beautiful and that are less costly?

wmcruiser 21-11-2013 10:08

Been waiting for this info,where did you get latest update of the bill past?

goboatingnow 21-11-2013 12:10

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Originally Posted by athene (Post 1393035)

I think there are quite a few tavernas and other businesses - especially on the islands - that would disagree with you. I could list dozens of them in both the Aegean and Ionian that would probably not survive without the trade from cruisers.

Also, jumping country is a real option, which is why the association of Greek marina owners is strongly opposed to the measure, since they fear that Turkish marinas (which have advantageous tax treatment compared with Greek ones) will be the ultimate beneficiaries.

It's true that Greece has always been a cheap country to cruise (which is why so many cruisers go there), but then it's rare that you find anything in a Greek harbour other than some (often) rusty mooring rings or bollards to tie up to - and sometimes not many of them - plus a patch of mud in which to drop your anchor. Other countries which one might consider competitors for cruisers' custom frequently offer laid moorings, harbour staff to take lines, toilets, electricity and water - at a price, of course.

Rather than trying to impose a new tax, a better solution is radical reform of the management of those Greek harbours used by cruisers. Retire all the superfluous port police staff and employ a polyglot youngster for each harbour, equipped with a book of receipts and a bumbag, to help each yacht as it arrives and collect a standard charge. From my observation of Greek harbours, the revenue uplift would be massive and the impost would not be resented if it were appropriate to the facilities provided.

The solution to greeces problems involves firing a whole load of people probably with families. I smell a Strike

Dave

hoppy 21-11-2013 15:02

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Originally Posted by goboatingnow (Post 1396723)
The solution to greeces problems involves firing a whole load of people probably with families. I smell a Strike

Dave

What's more likely, Greece firing people or the EU commission ending their monthly road trip to Strasbourg? :whistling:

Barra 21-11-2013 15:05

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Originally Posted by Nostrodamus (Post 1393578)
As far as I understand it the costs for boats over 12m will be 100 euros per meter for the total length of the boat.
It is not 400 euros plus 100 euros for ever meter over... Those bowsprits could cost a few people several hundred euros.

can you show us where you get this understanding from?

nickmilon 21-11-2013 16:50

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IT has passed through parliament
my summary:
  1. 7 - 8 m/year 200€
  2. 8 -10 m/year 300€
  3. 10-12 m/year 400€
  4. > 12 m/year 100€/m starting from 1st meter so: 13m = 1300€/year
  5. or 10€/m/month

30% discount if vessel is based in country
Law is here (end of page 5) https://perivolos.gr/img/e84848120190...ISTHEN_EAS.pdf

or for G translation : Μετάφραση Google

Hope this ends all confusion (and starts some other debates)
Regards
Nick

Barra 21-11-2013 21:04

Re: Greek Tax !!!!!!
 
Thanks Nick

So 12.00M 400 euro, 12.01m 1200 euro it is. It defies all logic but there you have it.

Start of november just rumours of changes to start of Jan tax in place - amazingly quick too. If only Greece had been that efficient in the past - maybe they wouldnt be in the mess they are.

Not much i can do about it since my boat is already there I guess and i didnt read anything about the usual transition periods or anything.

So over all the red tape in the EU. With 1 months warning this borders on a retrospective tax.

NornaBiron 22-11-2013 00:29

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Originally Posted by letsgetsailing3 (Post 1396620)

Are you leaving on principle, or are there other places as beautiful and that are less costly?

We were leaving any way, our intention was always to circumnavigate the world not the Greek islands! We've had five years here, seen most of the coastlines and it is a beautiful country worth seeing. We will have to stay until April as we have visitors coming and flights to the UK booked. That will set us back €600!

Let's hope the law isn't implemented, like so many others here. See what happens as the 1st January approaches.

NornaBiron 22-11-2013 00:31

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Originally Posted by Barra (Post 1397167)
Thanks Nick

So 12.00M 400 euro, 12.01m 1200 euro it is. It defies all logic but there you have it.

Start of november just rumours of changes to start of Jan tax in place - amazingly quick too. If only Greece had been that efficient in the past - maybe they wouldnt be in the mess they are.

Not much i can do about it since my boat is already there I guess and i didnt read anything about the usual transition periods or anything.

So over all the red tape in the EU. With 1 months warning this borders on a retrospective tax.

Sorry to be pedantic but that 12.01m would possibly cost €1300. Part metres will be charged at the full metre rate. This is Greece, they won't give change!

Barra 22-11-2013 00:49

Re: Greek Tax !!!!!!
 
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Originally Posted by NornaBiron (Post 1397248)
Sorry to be pedantic but that 12.01m would possibly cost €1300. Part metres will be charged at the full metre rate. This is Greece, they won't give change!

Well lets hope you are wrong! or i may wind up in the brigg:banghead::banghead:

bring on turkey

hoppy 22-11-2013 01:06

Goodbye Greece!

I would cop a fair tax but if 20cm is going to cost me 800 extra then f..k the Greeks.

I was planning to move from Corfu next season but was not sure whether to stay in Greece or not.

robert sailor 22-11-2013 01:10

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Yes no one likes taxes but when your in Greece's position your going to get it where ever you can. We are Turkey now and are planning on heading west next spring so we'll have to figure out how to get thru Greece without paying...ideas?

hoppy 22-11-2013 01:19

I would perhaps reluctantly cop the 1200 or 1300 tax for my 12.2m yacht if it was more fairly implemented, I.e. the extra 20cm was costing only a couple of hundred more, but the huge penalty just gets me annoyed.

svBeBe 22-11-2013 02:59

Re: Greek Tax !!!!!!
 
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Originally Posted by nickmilon (Post 1396939)
IT has passed through parliament
my summary:
  1. 7 - 8 m/year 200€
  2. 8 -10 m/year 300€
  3. 10-12 m/year 400€
  4. > 12 m/year 100€/m starting from 1st meter so: 13m = 1300€/year
  5. or 10€/m/month

30% discount if vessel is based in country
Law is here (end of page 5) https://perivolos.gr/img/e84848120190...ISTHEN_EAS.pdf

or for G translation : Μετάφραση Google

Hope this ends all confusion (and starts some other debates)
Regards
Nick

So for our 16 mtr boat it would cost 10 euro per meter per month, or 160 euro for one month or 480 euro for 3 months. That is not exorbitant as compared to the cruising tax in Croatia others report they have paid there. Or what others have reportedly paid for the privilege to cruise Montenegro. This new Greek tax will not change any of our Med cruising plans.

Judy

Jacques2 22-11-2013 03:01

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Latest news I have :
Marine Circulation Taxes | Greece.GreekReporter.com Latest News from Greece

It is not new, but shortly and easy to understand . we have to wait for knowing if a new law will pass or not...


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