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Jimbo485 15-11-2013 15:15

It happens to us all eventually, Scoob.

Buy a wetsuit and get in the water. Think of it as practice because it will happen again.

cheoah 15-11-2013 16:21

I took my kids cruising in November once. Had just splashed in the yard, but forgot to put the cotter pin through the shaft. The water was high forties and it was dark and muddy, had to feel it in there. Every time I came up for air the kids would cheer me on.

I own a wet suit now, and use it a lot. I don't pay people to swim under my boat, although they provide an important service to many. Instead of paying a diver, see if you can get a suit. You will use it, and save money for a diver over time.

This is a good point to consider when heading offshore. Little stuff like this will shut the boat down. If you are offshore Hatteras, with impending weather, and you foul the prop, what do you do? It's often the little stuff that starts the cascade, not rogue containers or whales like we read about.

Careful with the cold water, and WEAR GLOVES while working down there always. Barnacles will tear you up, and the infections can be serious. You will get comfortable under the boat after a few dives. Without a weight belt you will work very hard to stay down. You'll be surprised how exhausting it can be to do these jobs underwater, or just getting the wetsuit on and off :)

bill352 15-11-2013 17:22

Re: Transit Time? NY-FL
 
A lot of good long-term advice here, but Scoobert is apparently floating (presumably anchored) in shallow Barnegat Bay with no engine power and not within walking distance of a Walmart.

I've freed a prop, too, but in Ft. Myers in the summertime, and it was still, as cheoah says, exhausting.

Don't kill yourself, Scoobert. This may be the time to call Sea Tow.

Jimbo485 15-11-2013 17:29

This is it, Scoob. If you can't clear your own prop, you shouldn't be out there. So, show us all that you are capable of solving this common problem.

Get warm water and hot water bottles ready for your exit from the water, put your mask on, tie your knife to your wrist, HTFU and then DO IT!

The Garbone 15-11-2013 19:30

Re: Transit Time? NY-FL
 
If no mask is available I myself would go the SeaTow and nearest haul out yard route as that is an towing option. If a yard has a haul out it may have a diver or you can catch a cab to get a wetsuite. Do you have a knife with a lanyard?

tomdidit 15-11-2013 20:03

Re: Transit Time? NY-FL
 
Sea Tow should be a source to get a diver. If not, I would bet a call to a local West Marine would find a name. Don't try it yourself without the right equipment.

sabray 15-11-2013 20:03

I have never used a mask. This is more about feel and even more about how friggin cold it is. I think I would be shoving hot water bottles into my wet suit. Try calling some NJ dive shops. New Jersey Scuba Diving Shops here is a list of some.

A & H Aquatic Adventures https://www.ahaquaadventures.com
1041 Glassboro Road, Suite E4
Monroe Business Center
Williamstown, N.J. 08096
Phone: (856) 629-8021 Fax: (856) 629-8031

AArdvark Scuba https://aardvarkscuba.net/
12 Lanesmill Rd
Brick, NJ 08724
732-458-5200

Acrotech Scuba https://scuba.acro-tech.com
617 Ridge Road
Lyndhurst, NJ 07071
Phone: 201-340-2281

American Diving Supply https://www.eastcoastdiving.com/
Old name - East Coast Diving Supply
1002 New Road (Route 9)
Northfield, NJ 08225
Phone: 609-646-5090
Fax: 609-641-5762

Aqua Tech Scuba Center www.aquatechscuba.com
479 Route 38 West
Maple Shade, NJ 08052
Phone: 800-216-3483 856-482-1996

An Underwater Connection https://uwcnj.net/
15 Riccis Drive
Jackson, NJ 08527
(732) 534-0633

Atlantic Divers https://www.njwreckdivers.com/
2905 Fire Road
Egg Harbor Township, NJ 08234
Phone: 609-641-7722

Atlantic Spear & Scuba https://www.atlanticspearandscuba.com/
69 Channel Dr.
Point Pleasant Beach, NJ, 08742
732-740-2554 / 732-892-2058

Blue Water Divers Inc. https://www.bluewaterdivers.com/
(Was Underwater Sports)
201 Route 17 South
Rochelle Park, NJ 07662
Phone: 201-843-3340

Cedar Grove Divers Supply https://www.cedargrovedivers.com/
492 Pompton Ave (Route 23 South)
Cedar Grove, NJ 07009
Phone: 973 - 857-1748 Fax: 973 - 857-9244

Chatham Water Sports
4 Lincoln Place
Madison, NJ 07940
Phone: 973-966-8858

Diver's Two https://www.diverstwo.com/
1 Main Street
Avon-by-the-Sea, NJ 07717
Phone: 732-776-7755

Dosil's Scuba Center https://www.dosils.com
261 Route 36 East
Middletown, NJ 07748
Phone: 732-787-0508 or 1-800-653-4837
Fax: 732-787-0578

East Coast Diving Center www.EastCoastDivingCenter.com
275 Spring Valley Road
Morganville, NJ 07751
Phone: 732-591-9374 Fax: 732-591-1420 ECDCsplash@EastCoastDivingCenter.com

Elite Divers Inc https://www.elitedivers.com
81 Rt.10 East
Randolph, N.J. 07869
Phone 973-586-2214
Fax 973-586-1319
Email: eliteadmin@elitedivers.com
Under new ownership 1/2011 - New address 5/1/2012

Handicapped Scuba Association of NJ www.hsanjscuba.com
16 Afton Rd.
Jackson, NJ 08527
Phone: 732-928-0461

Hoboken Dive Center www.hobokendivehob.com
300 Park Ave (corner of 3rd & Park)
Hoboken, NJ 07030
Phone: 201-795-3483
info@hobokendive.com

Hunterdon Scuba Center https://www.hunterdonscuba.com/
252 Route 202/31
Flemington, NJ 08822
Phone: (908) 806-0555

Kunuku Dive & Travel https://www.kunuku.com/
327Third Ave
Alpha, NJ 08865
Phone: 908-454-3577

Lakeland Divers https://www.lakelanddivers.com/
34 Ridgedale Ave (Riverwalk Plaza)
East Hanover, NJ 07936
Phone: 973-887-0194

Lang's Ski N'Scuba https://www.langsskiandscuba.com/
1757 North Olden Ave. Ext.
Trenton, NJ 08638
Phone: 609-538-1970

Ocean Explorers https://njoceanexplorers.com
180 Lafayette Ave.
Edison, NJ 08837-2407
Phone: 732-906-8400

Ocean Spirit Aquatics https://www.oceanspiritaquatics.com/index.html
off I-295, exit 21
530 Crown Point Road
Deptford, NJ 08086
Phone: 856-202-5402
Professional Divers Inc https://www.professionaldiversinc.com
MOVED to just south of Kelly's! (1/2 mile south of old location)
13 State Hwy 35 South
Neptune City, NJ 07753
Phone: 732-775-8292

Scuba Adventures https://scubaadventuresnj.com/
94 Quaker Ave.
Randolph, NJ 07869
Phone: 973-366-2515
Fax: 973-366-2587
edscuba2@aol.com

Scuba Connection https://www.tscscuba.com/
Mountain View Plaza
856 Route 206
Hillsborough NJ 08844
Phone: 908-359-1250

Scuba Learning Center www.scubalearningcenter.com SDI/TDI/ERDI
484 Route 17 North
Paramus, NJ 07653
Phone: 201-261-8700
info@scubalearningcenter.com

Scuba Network NEW 2013 https://sn5thave.tripod.com/scubanetworknewjersey/
453 Rt 23 South
Pompton Plains, NJ 07444
Phone: 973-256-0555

Sea Dwellers of NJ https://www.seadwellersnj.com/
Captain Ted Masotti - General Manager
231 Herbert Avenue
Closter, NJ 07624
Phone: 201-564-7571
Fax: 201-564-7572
1-800-861-0009

The Dive Shop https://thediveshopnj.com/home.html
1749 Route 70 East
Cherry Hill, NJ 08003
856-751-0308

Treasure Cove Divers https://www.treasurecovedivers.com
407 South Ave. West
Westfield, NJ 07090
Phone: 908-654-8808

Underwater Adventures Dive Center www.underwater-adventures.com
508 Millburn Avenue
Short Hills, NJ 07078
(973) 258-1300

1-877-SCUBA-USA www.1877scubausa.com
480 Route 17 North
Paramus, New Jersey 07652
201 261 8700

Top of NJ Dive Shop Page edited 9/2013 - report any changes please

geoleo 15-11-2013 20:33

Re: Transit Time? NY-FL
 
USE A SERRATED STEAK KNIFE!!

scoobert 15-11-2013 23:03

Re: Transit Time? NY-FL
 
Well the diver called me late last night, he will be here tomorrow.

A few notes.
I am docked.
I have 0 scuba training. Thou i will most likely get my training this winter.
I have a mask and snorkle, no diver flag. I will not go under a moving boat with a current when i am untrained.
We called seatow, who called the coastguard to tow us in... Lol
Tomorrow we should be sailing again.

Coops 15-11-2013 23:06

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Very wise decision Scoob. :thumb:

Coops.

scoobert 15-11-2013 23:16

Re: Transit Time? NY-FL
 
On another note, it looks as if we will not be sailing, but motoring down the coast. Winds under 10kts... Dang.

Sailmonkey 16-11-2013 05:04

Good time to use seat ow....but in reality you won't need a flag or training to slip under your boat with a mask and snorkel. We scrub our hull without scuba gear. He'll I've changed the prop with a mask only, the snorkel kept hitting the hull.

Hud3 16-11-2013 07:31

Re: Transit Time? NY-FL
 
Scoobert,

Just curious--how'd you pick up the line on your prop shaft? How far offshore?

scoobert 16-11-2013 12:22

Re: Transit Time? NY-FL
 
The female deck crew did not secure the bow line.
At least we have a new zinc on the shaft, and a clean prop.

Cuttyhunk 16-11-2013 13:00

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Now, scoobert, I was rooting for you, and I'm still wishing you well…but "female" deck crew? I thought both of your crew members were women, so I hate to think what message adding that word was supposed to convey!

scoobert 16-11-2013 13:09

Re: Transit Time? NY-FL
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bethflkys (Post 1392397)
Now, scoobert, I was rooting for you, and I'm still wishing you well…but "female" deck crew? I thought both of your crew members were women, so I hate to think what message adding that word was supposed to convey!

There are no other ugly dudes on my boat.





Can someone tell me, if i make ocean city, can i run down thru
Chincoteague bay and stay inside until the chesapeake bay? Would hate to go far north for the canal. Then i can scoot to norfolk before the weather turns too nasty. Storm starts tomorrow evening. I can be to ocean city by the am.

Mary Flower 16-11-2013 13:09

Re: Transit Time? NY-FL
 
Scoobert,

Take a look at the forecast from Passage Weather - Sailing Weather - Marine Weather Forecasts for Sailors and Adventurers - PassageWeather

Sunday forecast is for light and variable but the forecast for Monday is really not in your favor. Winds from the SSE to 30 knots and seas to 9 feet. That would be a pretty tough slog for any boat and crew.

By Tuesday, the wind will be 20-25 knots from the NW veering to NE and increasing to 25-30 knots before becoming more easterly and decreasing on Thursday.

Wave heights during the entire period are forecast in the 6-9 foot range and probably somewhat confused.

It looks like your most comfortable sailing weather might be on Thursday and Friday.

Best of luck.

Jim

Vasco 16-11-2013 13:30

Re: Transit Time? NY-FL
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scoobert (Post 1392370)
The female deck crew did not secure the bow line.
At least we have a new zinc on the shaft, and a clean prop.

Skipper's responsibility to ensure everything is stowed properly prior to heading out.

scoobert 16-11-2013 13:39

Re: Transit Time? NY-FL
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vasco (Post 1392430)
Skipper's responsibility to ensure everything is stowed properly prior to heading out.

So the skipper on a cruise boat checks each item?
Or are people trained to do a job?
Two days i had shown the new crew how to stow lines.
One was ignored.

Vasco 16-11-2013 13:46

Re: Transit Time? NY-FL
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scoobert (Post 1392435)
So the skipper on a cruise boat checks each item?
Or are people trained to do a job?
Two days i had shown the new crew how to stow lines.
One was ignored.


Didn't know you were running a cruise ship with paid professional crew. But on a sailboat, especially with green crew it's the skipper's responsibility.

Dave Lochner 16-11-2013 13:52

Re: Transit Time? NY-FL
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scoobert (Post 1392435)
So the skipper on a cruise boat checks each item?
Or are people trained to do a job?
One was ignored.

Yes, the skipper is ultimately responsible. In maritime law the skipper is responsible even if the skipper is not at the helm or on deck. Just ask Joseph Hazelwood (Exxon Valdez captain).

Before leaving the dock and throughout the voyage the skipper should make sure everything is squared away. The crew should also be vigilant to anything that might go amiss. More experienced crew will notice things more quickly than inexperienced crew.

Good luck. You've taken on a big challenge, inexperienced crew at a challenging time of year to sail.

Dave

bill352 16-11-2013 13:58

Re: Transit Time? NY-FL
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scoobert (Post 1392435)
So the skipper on a cruise boat checks each item?
Or are people trained to do a job?
Two days i had shown the new crew how to stow lines.
One was ignored.

People are trained to do a job AND the skipper is responsible for seeing that they do it. If two days isn't long enough (imagine that!), then you have to take three, or four, or five, or a week, or a year. You are still responsible.

Cuttyhunk 16-11-2013 14:01

Re: Transit Time? NY-FL
 
Hi, again, scoobert,

Yes, you really do need to double-check everything. I do. My husband's great, knows engines, knows fishing, builds submarines for a living in fact, but he is new to sailing, new to cruising, and so I always am looking around and trying to be alert to things left undone. I used to handle all the lines myself, and coil and stow them while he was at the helm. He took some evening sailing lessons locally last summer, which was a big help to both of us. He can get annoyed when I ask if something routine (such as stowing lines!) was done, but I ask anyway. Or check on it myself. Even when he is totally familiar with this stuff, I will still be double-checking everything. As I hope he will.

You spent two days teaching them EVERYTHING, not just line stowage. That's a lot to absorb in two days. Some things won't sink in for awhile. I hope you don't blow the entire round the world adventure by belittling your crew from the get-go. I don't know if you are old enough to remember Reagan, but the one line I live by is TRUST, BUT VERIFY. It fits so many situations.

a64pilot 16-11-2013 14:02

If your married to one of the crew you had better be real nice if you expect to confine being the Capt of your vessel

a64pilot 16-11-2013 14:04

Continue iPhone knows better than I do

Snore 16-11-2013 14:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by bethflkys (Post 1392452)
Hi, again, scoobert, Yes, you really do need to double-check everything. I do. My husband's great, knows engines, knows fishing, builds submarines for a living in fact, but he is new to sailing, new to cruising, and so I always am looking around and trying to be alert to things left undone. I used to handle all the lines myself, and coil and stow them while he was at the helm. He took some evening sailing lessons locally last summer, which was a big help to both of us. He can get annoyed when I ask if something routine (such as stowing lines!) was done, but I ask anyway. Or check on it myself. Even when he is totally familiar with this stuff, I will still be double-checking everything. As I hope he will. You spent two days teaching them EVERYTHING, not just line stowage. That's a lot to absorb in two days. Some things won't sink in for awhile. I hope you don't blow the entire round the world adventure by belittling your crew from the get-go. I don't know if you are old enough to remember Reagan, but the one line I live by is TRUST, BUT VERIFY. It fits so many situations.


Well said!!

Jim Cate 16-11-2013 14:10

Re: Transit Time? NY-FL
 
Ann and I have been sailing together for over 30 years, and full time cruising for 27. We still check each other's work when possible, still have both physical and mental check lists, and we NEVER blame each other when something goes awry.

Works for us, might for you, mate...

Jim

donradcliffe 16-11-2013 14:24

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I really have to give Scoobert credit. He actually made it 45 miles down the coast before needing help, and it sounds like his crew hasn't mutinied yet. A great learning experience.

What to do next?

Barnegat inlet is about 30 miles from Atlantic City, 65 miles from Cape May, and 210 from Norfolk. That's 5, 11, and 35 hours at 6 knots.

The weather forecast is

TONIGHT
SE WINDS 5 TO 10 KT. SEAS AROUND 2 FT. MAINLY SE SWELLS
WITH A DOMINANT PERIOD OF 12 SECONDS AFTER MIDNIGHT. PATCHY FOG
LATE.

SUN
SE WINDS AROUND 5 KT...BECOMING S 10 TO 15 KT IN THE
AFTERNOON. SEAS 2 TO 3 FT. MAINLY SE SWELLS WITH A DOMINANT
PERIOD OF 8 SECONDS IN THE AFTERNOON. PATCHY FOG EARLY IN THE
MORNING.

SUN NIGHT
S WINDS 15 TO 20 KT WITH GUSTS UP TO 30 KT...
INCREASING TO 20 TO 25 KT WITH GUSTS UP TO 30 KT LATE. SEAS 4 TO
6 FT...BUILDING TO 5 TO 8 FT LATE...MAINLY IN S SWELL WITH A
DOMINANT PERIOD OF 6 SECONDS. SHOWERS LIKELY...MAINLY AFTER
MIDNIGHT.

MON
S WINDS 20 TO 25 KT...BECOMING W 15 TO 20 KT IN THE LATE
MORNING AND AFTERNOON. SEAS 5 TO 8 FT...SUBSIDING TO 4 TO 6 FT IN
THE AFTERNOON...MAINLY IN S SWELL WITH A DOMINANT PERIOD OF 7
SECONDS. SHOWERS IN THE MORNING...THEN A CHANCE OF SHOWERS EARLY
IN THE AFTERNOON.

MON NIGHT
NW WINDS 20 TO 25 KT WITH GUSTS UP TO 30 KT. SEAS
4 TO 7 FT.

TUE
NW WINDS 20 TO 25 KT WITH GUSTS UP TO 30 KT. SEAS 3 TO
5 FT.

TUE NIGHT
N WINDS 20 TO 25 KT...DIMINISHING TO 15 TO 20 KT
AFTER MIDNIGHT. SEAS 3 TO 5 FT.

WED
NE WINDS 10 TO 15 KT...BECOMING E 5 TO 10 KT. SEAS 3 TO
5 FT.


Given the experience level of the crew, leaving Barnegat before daylight is not an option, so the best plan would be to leave early in the morning and motor down to Atlantic City. Anchor before the bridge (unless you have a Danforth or CQR, in which case the marina is for you), and let out plenty of scope because its going to blow Sunday night. Once the wind shifts to the north of west on Monday, its time to leave. Going up the Delaware Bay is not an option in strong NW winds, so it would be best just to keep close to the coast and head for Norfolk or beyond. Just keep the sailplan conservative and in the front of the boat (not sure about schooners, but maybe just a headsail) and you should be fine running and broad reaching. Forget about Ocean City (been there--shallow) and the other inlets till you get to Norfolk (Little Creek is closer).

scoobert 16-11-2013 14:32

Re: Transit Time? NY-FL
 
We are beyond atlantic city...

Vasco 16-11-2013 14:50

Re: Transit Time? NY-FL
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scoobert (Post 1392481)
We are beyond atlantic city...

Duck into Cape May and wait for weather. The holding is not the best, a bit soupy, so make sure you keep an anchor watch.

tomdidit 16-11-2013 14:51

Re: Transit Time? NY-FL
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scoobert (Post 1392481)
We are beyond atlantic city...

Are you sure you are in Barnegat Inlet?:banghead: Atlantic City is definetely south of
Barnegat Bay.

DeepFrz 16-11-2013 14:52

Re: Transit Time? NY-FL
 
Beyond Atlantic City means little. The important part (for now) of Don's post is (other than the approaching weather that is);
Quote:

Forget about Ocean City (been there--shallow) and the other inlets till you get to Norfolk (Little Creek is closer).

scoobert 16-11-2013 15:07

Re: Transit Time? NY-FL
 
So 6.5 draft cannt get into a marina there?

Vasco 16-11-2013 15:16

Re: Transit Time? NY-FL
 
Scooby,

Where are you now?

Sailmonkey 16-11-2013 15:20

Re: Transit Time? NY-FL
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scoobert (Post 1392508)
So 6.5 draft cannot get into a marina there?

What charts do you have? The complete set of NOAA charts for the US is a free download and will let you know if 6.5' can go somewhere within reason. They wont account for shallow inlets that you may not be able to enter without settled weather though, you need to be the judge of that.

WebWench 16-11-2013 15:25

Re: Transit Time? NY-FL
 
Do you have a laptop aboard? If so download active captain....it'd is free....it shows all the marinas and anchorages along your route. Phone numbers for the marinas and notes on depths.

I agree that the captain is responsible for the safety of his ship and crew. Get a written checklist and laminate it. We did this in the beginning and it really helps to remember everything to do before setting off. Then make another for coming into a marina..making sure to get lines back on deck and fenders ready as part of the checklist.

We take all our lines off the cleats and pack them in the lazarrette while underway....less chance of tripping over them or getting them tangled in the sheets. Fenders all go below to be stored as well. Anything not required in the cockpit or on deck is also stowed.

scoobert 16-11-2013 15:55

Re: Transit Time? NY-FL
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vasco (Post 1392516)
Scooby,

Where are you now?

N 39.13.4
W 74.31.7

scoobert 16-11-2013 15:57

Re: Transit Time? NY-FL
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailmonkey (Post 1392519)
What charts do you have? The complete set of NOAA charts for the US is a free download and will let you know if 6.5' can go somewhere within reason. They wont account for shallow inlets that you may not be able to enter without settled weather though, you need to be the judge of that.

My charts on my gps say 19' deep in the inlet.

Then north of the drawbridge it says 9-11', thats where i was going to anchor.

scoobert 16-11-2013 16:03

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https://www.cruisersforum.com/attachm...83ac20c1c4.jpg

Sailmonkey 16-11-2013 16:11

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screw it


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