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Blue Crab 18-08-2013 18:21

Re: Keeping Watch at Night ?
 
I doubt that Mrs Pardey would need reminding not to pee over the rail.:whistling:

goboatingnow 18-08-2013 18:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rakuflames (Post 1316225)

So would I. I have willingly given the helm to an accomplished friend as well.

HOWEVER, the command would not be turned over until all (even Lin Pardey or my highly accomplished friend, and that one was a bit of a battle) have agreed that the head, and not the ocean, is the head, and that at night, a second person has to come up to the cockpit before the first one can leave it.

Period, end of sentence and sail if not agreed upon.

My boat, my rule.

I find it strange , all these newbies , with all these " rules" , listen to boatman , " it depends"

If I'm on watch , the area is quiet , weather reasonable , boat is on AP , you know the 95 % time , how can yiu enforce your , quite frankly silly rule, I mean the on watch. Needs to go to the head , make tea , update and check charts and log etc I'm up and down all the time , night or day.

What have you got the cockpit crew doing ,so they MUST be up their all the time.

Really this dogma amuses me. Rules should be flexible , appropriate and reasonable , otherwise they get broken

Dave

zeehag 18-08-2013 18:22

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Originally Posted by zeehag View Post
when you see white red white you are ok
when you see white green white you are ok
when you see red white green you are ok
if you see green white red you are ded
Why the difference in the last two, it matters not if your run down by the port or starboard side of the bow

Dave
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red white green is ship headed away from ye. green white red is ship on you bow first.

D&D 18-08-2013 18:33

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Originally Posted by zeehag (Post 1316232)
red white green is ship headed away from ye.

Suppose so, although can't ever recall seeing -- Is it possible to see? -- both nav lights and a stern light. Thought the nav lights arc of visibility would make seeing both nav lights from astern impossible.

Perhaps we're missing something here...:confused:

Blue Crab 18-08-2013 18:36

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Rules. An ugly word. I generally only abide by the ones I agree with. I'm a singlehander by choice. People talk too much. Sure would help at night tho.

goboatingnow 18-08-2013 19:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by zeehag (Post 1316232)
Quote:
Originally Posted by zeehag View Post
when you see white red white you are ok
when you see white green white you are ok
when you see red white green you are ok
if you see green white red you are ded
Why the difference in the last two, it matters not if your run down by the port or starboard side of the bow

Dave
__________________

red white green is ship headed away from ye. green white red is ship on you bow first.

Strange ships in your part , where you can see nav lights from behind

Dave

zeehag 18-08-2013 19:33

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you have never sailed across stern of a ship???

when they come at you you can see both sides. when they go away you can see both sides when you sail across their transom. doesnt matter how far distant it is--you can see it from that angle. it is not strange. i keep watch and pay attention. there are many ships off mexico. duh. there is major shipping here.
and remember, i have drifted many many miles in pacific ocean in and around shipping channels and lanes....near big shipping ports.

also in tampa we saw from stern.....

skipmac 18-08-2013 19:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by D&D (Post 1316111)
On most decent head lamps the angle of the lamp is adjustable...and, for most people (certainly the case here) the most useful angle is inclined down so as to be pointing to objects within arm's length in front. So it shouldn't always (or even often) shine into someone else's eyes.

Furthermore, for us nearly all night watch keeping is done solo, while the other 'crew' sleep. So for us there's very, very low risk of blinding anyone else.

Further still, if the head lamp is used on the red light (as it should be >90% of the time) it is significantly less blinding than the white light. We read (with interest, thanks! :thumb:) the articles and posts in this thread about 'the red myth', but it seems safe to suggest at least that a single red LED on a head lamp will have less impact on night vision than full white light from either the head lamp or a torch.

Finally and even accepting the risk of shining into someone else's eyes, that risk itself can be managed by the wearer of the head lamp simply taking care not to indulge the "natural reaction" and instead be always mindful of where your own lamp is pointed.

As already noted on this thread, head lamps are hugely handy tools. They are always there -- you never need to look for them when you need them -- and they leave both your hands completely free.

So for us, all weather head lamps are absolutely required wear for night watch keeping...and we keep spares.

I can tell you love your head light and that's fine with me but my experience and opinion of them remains unchanged. I have never been around anyone with a head mounted lamp that didn't shine it in my face to some degree and I have been around them a good bit. I used to do a lot of cave diving and head mounted lights are popular with many in the sport. Every one I was ever around manged to blind me at least a couple of times on a dive and blow my vision. Didn't matter how or where they were mounted or how experienced the diver, it would happen, every time.

Nor do I find it necessary to wear one while on watch. 99% of what I need to do on watch that needs a light is quite easy to do with a hand light or a dim cabin light and never had any trouble keeping a flash in the pocket of my foul weather jacket. Also if feel the need to look up at the sails, rigging, tell tales or whatever and need a light it's just easier to point a hand light than to look around with a head mount.

Most things requiring two hands involved in sailing the boat I can do with ambient light and good night vision. Another problem, trying to do any really active work on the boat a head light is also too easy to tangle in a line or knock off with a flogging sail. Guess that's why you need to keep several spares. :D

If there is something that seriously needs light then I will use the spreader lights or get someone on deck with a spot light.

The only use I see for a head light is doing some sort of repair unassisted that needs two hands and can't be lit by a work light and these situations are rare and don't

Sure, on my trips as well most night watches are solo except when changing watch. If I had a crew member that loved his/her head light then they would be welcome to use it on watch but the first time he/she shines it in my face it goes in the drawer.

Bash 18-08-2013 20:12

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Originally Posted by carstenb (Post 1314007)
let's face it, a couple making passage is single aahnding part of the time, but! i drowiness becomes too much you wake your partner.

I hear this a lot on the forum, but I disagree strongly.

Wonderblond and I keep a proper watch 24/7. I take the midnight to 0600 watch, and then she takes the 0600 to 1200 watch, which gives us each a solid six hours of sleep. The rest of the day we either trade off with naps, or share the watch. This is nothing like singlehanding. Nothing.

Of course, we are also available to help each other with tasks such as shortening sails. Again, this is nothing like singlehanding.

jackdale 18-08-2013 20:15

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Quick question - how much difference does a autopilot make?

Newport to St Baths - autopilot the whole way. I had some great conversations with my watch mates.

HI to PNW - first trip AP failed - handsteered 3/4 of the way
- second and third trips - no AP (race boat) - handsteered the whole way

Handsteering especially in big seas takes a lot of work and concentration.

I do not like my crew to sit when handsteering in those conditions. The exception may be close hauled and watching tell-tales in moderate winds ( below 20 knots)

I had a crew member who thought he could sit and handsteer in 25-30 knot winds broad reaching. He managed to slam the boat.

Personally when I am standing I have a better feel for the boat in the ocean. Coastal is a different situation.

jackdale 18-08-2013 20:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by skipmac (Post 1316298)

If there is something that seriously needs light then I will use the spreader lights or get someone on deck with a spot light.

Have you even seen what happens if you catch rod rigging with a spot light?

BTW - headlamps stay off until needed, Mine could best be called a neck lamp as that is where I wear it. I also tell the crew not to look at anyone when in a conversation and headlamps are on.

Rakuflames 18-08-2013 20:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue Crab (Post 1316229)
I doubt that Mrs Pardey would need reminding not to pee over the rail.:whistling:


Who was the other person I mentioned? :whistling:

Rakuflames 18-08-2013 20:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by goboatingnow (Post 1316231)
I find it strange , all these newbies , with all these " rules" , listen to boatman , " it depends"

If I'm on watch , the area is quiet , weather reasonable , boat is on AP , you know the 95 % time , how can yiu enforce your , quite frankly silly rule, I mean the on watch. Needs to go to the head , make tea , update and check charts and log etc I'm up and down all the time , night or day.

What have you got the cockpit crew doing ,so they MUST be up their all the time.

Really this dogma amuses me. Rules should be flexible , appropriate and reasonable , otherwise they get broken

Dave


I'm not a "newbie" and this isn't "dogma." It's hard to spot someone who has gone overboard at night, even more so if no one knows he or she accidentally went for a swim.

I think requiring someone in the cockpit before someone else goes forward is appropriate and reasonable. And if you were on my boat and took the inflexable stand you just did, I'd put you off at the next stop with bus fare home.

A lot of things depend on all sorts of things, but someone leaves the safety of the cockpit on my boat at night, and by gum, I want someone else around to throw him a line or something -- or at least take pictures!!!

Rakuflames 18-08-2013 20:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jackdale (Post 1316308)
Quick question - how much difference does a autopilot make?

Newport to St Baths - autopilot the whole way. I had some great conversations with my watch mates.

HI to PNW - first trip AP failed - handsteered 3/4 of the way
- second and third trips - no AP (race boat) - handsteered the whole way

Handsteering especially in big seas takes a lot of work and concentration.

I do not like my crew to sit when handsteering in those conditions. The exception may be close hauled and watching tell-tales in moderate winds ( below 20 knots)

I had a crew member who thought he could sit and handsteer in 25-30 knot winds broad reaching. He managed to slam the boat.

Personally when I am standing I have a better feel for the boat in the ocean. Coastal is a different situation.


I'm assuming you mean boats with wheels. I don't see a problem sitting with a tiller, but you get a lot of feedback through a tiller you don't get from a wheel. That's interesting. I stand in rough water but didn't realize why.

carstenb 18-08-2013 23:54

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The correct english wording for being the person in charge of the boat is "Standing the watch". This does not refer to where you have your glutemus maximus parked.

I seriously doubt that anyone requires the person "Standing watch" to be physically standing. That would be rather asinine





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Originally Posted by Wrong (Post 1315901)
I couldn't find the post, but someone said they require anyone on watch to "stand", not sit down. On a side note, reminds me of many employers who won't let their employees sit, even when the job can be done sitting. Asinine.

Anyway, standing is no insurance someone on watch will perform the job effectively. I realize when there is more than one person on board, if fatigued to the point a person risks falling asleep standing, they can ask for relief.

Twice, on my approach to Trinidad where currents and unannounced squalls can be a hazard, I've stood, trying to keep awake. On both occasions I awoke multiple times just before my nose would have had a unhappy meeting with a very hard part of the boat.

Safer sitting on a rolling boat than standing anyway.,

I would not crew on your boat or any boat that made me stand while on watch.:whistling:


monte 19-08-2013 00:11

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D&D, the white light in Zeehags post is the steaming masthead light, so from bow on its Green white red. Zee, you can;t see both red and green from astern unless someone has seriously f*&cked up their nav light instalation..
https://www.msq.qld.gov.au/~/media/ms..._lights_l.ashx

Mr B 19-08-2013 01:35

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You people make standing watch so hard and so complicated,

You are going to sail 100 miles Maximum over night, At 10 knots,
You look at your chart plotter in detail for that 100 miles, and plenty of room both side of your track,
If its all clear, All the way and both sides,
You set your marker on your Auto pilot,
Switch it on, Watch it for a bit to make sure its tracking right,

And then what, Nothing, Your maintenance on your boat is up to scratch,

Other than keeping an eye out for other vessels,

I spent most of my time, Flat on my back on a Hammock hanging off the back of my boat, It was the most stable place to be, It was a gentle up and down motion,

I did have to get up to stretch my legs and look out the back of the boat, Ships coming up behind,

The boat drives itself, Unless the wind changes, The wave pattern changes, Etc Etc,
You already know things are changing with out looking at the instrument panel,

And thats the only time you need to go any where near the wheel,
To Readjust your track on the Plotter, Or to change the mainsail, Which required heading directly into the wind to raise or lower it,
The Autopilot holds it there as well, So easy,

Sorry, I go past the wheel to go down below for coffee and food, With the lights on, Turn them off again when I am back in the cockpit or out the back on my hammock,

A safe bet would be twenty minutes Below, Maximum, Thats what it takes for the Disco party to arrive from the Horizon,

Over here, Ships dont conserve lighting, And you certainly can tell which way they are going, There is no guess work involved there,

Their Nav lights, The white one right at the top of the Xmas tree,

I dont know what it is, But most people cannot sit in a darkened area when there are lights available,

For the last 20 years, I have lived in a house surrounded by continous glass from floor to ceiling,
I need the lights on about 5 days a month, due to no light from the moon or heavy rain clouds,

I can see quite clearly, even if dimly, But when I tell people I will turn off the lights so they can see the view, They have a very quick look and want the lights back on, Some even get distressed,,

The only difference, Home to the boat, Ones at sea, ones in the mountains,

Any lighting on board at night, Diminshes your night vision, Turn it off, you dont need it on,

Close to shore its a different matter,

Snore 19-08-2013 03:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackdale (Post 1316315)

headlamps stay off until needed, Mine could best be called a neck lamp as that is where I wear it. I also tell the crew not to look at anyone when in a conversation and headlamps are on.


Try wearing the lamp on a hat with a brim/bill. I found that by shading my eyes, illuminating what I am working on and using the lowest LED setting that gives the needed illumination, more of my night vision is preserved.

thomm225 19-08-2013 03:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wrong (Post 1315706)
One thing about Cruisers Forum, is that given the simplest problem or subject you'll always have some who make a big t-doo of it. Graphs, data references, quotes - you name it. Nothing better to do I guess.

But then, many cruising boats are outfitted with gadgets for the same reason. People just can't resist making something that can be accomplished simply, complicated!:devil::popcorn:

I thought that was just a cruiser thing.

Coming from the racing world, my biggest transistion to cruising has been figuring out what to do while sailing to and from. It gets a bit slow unless you have a decent book or a problem to fix. And my longest trip so far has only been 75 miles one way (on a monohull not racing)

I figured cruisers just like to discuss way past the need.................

Ever been around an ex-navy aircraft carrier guy? I work with lots of them. Speaking of beating a dead horse. They can talk about nothing forever. Reckon thats what happens when you are stuck on a big boat for 6 months at a time.

Sandero 19-08-2013 03:56

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This thread concerns me and I should have read it all... but haven't. I sail mostly with one other person who is not at the same skill level of seamanship as I am and so all the heavy lifting is left to me. They can do watch keeping... or cooking and so forth.

I've also sailed a lot single handed including 700 and 1000 miles offshore passages.

The key I've found is that under most conditions the horizon is about 15-20 minutes away. When something is within the field of view... it's essential to monitor the object/vessel and course verifying the course is not converging. Of course floating objects ... partially submerged objects are hard to spot even in the best conditions.

Radar with a guard zone is always set for evening and of course when visibility is decreased.

I don't cook meals on such passages... food is a quickie snack stiff... pretzels, candy, fruit... or maybe a can of soup. Quick gallery stop and then return to the cockpit.

Timer is set for 20 minutes and position is plotted on paper chart... all instruments checked etc. I've catnapped using this system with no problem. But this is not something I have done a lot of.

With 2 of us I can extend my cat naps and almost get enough rest on a passage. Coastal passages where one expects all manner of marine traffic, buoys, shoals and so forth requires more vigilant watch keeping.

Having competent crew of 3 or more is a luxury and sleep is not an issue. Landfalls should be made in good visibility (daylight).

boatman61 19-08-2013 04:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by goboatingnow (Post 1316231)
I find it strange , all these newbies , with all these " rules" , listen to boatman , " it depends"

If I'm on watch , the area is quiet , weather reasonable , boat is on AP , you know the 95 % time , how can yiu enforce your , quite frankly silly rule, I mean the on watch. Needs to go to the head , make tea , update and check charts and log etc I'm up and down all the time , night or day.

What have you got the cockpit crew doing ,so they MUST be up their all the time.

Really this dogma amuses me. Rules should be flexible , appropriate and reasonable , otherwise they get broken

Dave

Dave... don't point 'Raku' in my direction mate... she's said it countless times... she's expert friends on the dock and will NEVER take my advice.... even as she was going down for the 3rd time...:p

goboatingnow 19-08-2013 05:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rakuflames (Post 1316338)
I'm not a "newbie" and this isn't "dogma." It's hard to spot someone who has gone overboard at night, even more so if no one knows he or she accidentally went for a swim.

I think requiring someone in the cockpit before someone else goes forward is appropriate and reasonable. And if you were on my boat and took the inflexable stand you just did, I'd put you off at the next stop with bus fare home.

A lot of things depend on all sorts of things, but someone leaves the safety of the cockpit on my boat at night, and by gum, I want someone else around to throw him a line or something -- or at least take pictures!!!

what inflexible stand, I agree about going forward, but what you said was someone going below before someone was up .

inflexible and dogma are basically teh same thing. I apply common sense.

Quote:

I'd put you off at the next stop with bus fare home
I tend to sail much farther then the bus routes

goboatingnow 19-08-2013 05:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by defjef (Post 1316447)
T

I've also sailed a lot single handed including 700 and 1000 miles offshore passages.

....

I don't cook meals on such passages... food is a quickie snack stiff... pretzels, candy, fruit... or maybe a can of soup. Quick gallery stop and then return to the cockpit.

Jeez Id hate to be on a 4-6 day cruise with you. with two up, we make dinner, I cook , the other cooks, whatever.

dave

goboatingnow 19-08-2013 05:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by boatman61 (Post 1316449)
Dave... don't point 'Raku' in my direction mate... she's said it countless times... she's expert friends on the dock and will NEVER take my advice.... even as she was going down for the 3rd time...:p

SO it would seem Boatman, so it would seem and the worse she will be for it :thumb:

dave

goboatingnow 19-08-2013 05:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr B (Post 1316410)
You people make standing watch so hard and so complicated,

You are going to sail 100 miles Maximum over night, At 10 knots,
You look at your chart plotter in detail for that 100 miles, and plenty of room both side of your track,
If its all clear, All the way and both sides,
You set your marker on your Auto pilot,
Switch it on, Watch it for a bit to make sure its tracking right,

And then what, Nothing, Your maintenance on your boat is up to scratch,

Other than keeping an eye out for other vessels,

I spent most of my time, Flat on my back on a Hammock hanging off the back of my boat, It was the most stable place to be, It was a gentle up and down motion,

I did have to get up to stretch my legs and look out the back of the boat, Ships coming up behind,

The boat drives itself, Unless the wind changes, The wave pattern changes, Etc Etc,
You already know things are changing with out looking at the instrument panel,

And thats the only time you need to go any where near the wheel,
To Readjust your track on the Plotter, Or to change the mainsail, Which required heading directly into the wind to raise or lower it,
The Autopilot holds it there as well, So easy,

Sorry, I go past the wheel to go down below for coffee and food, With the lights on, Turn them off again when I am back in the cockpit or out the back on my hammock,

A safe bet would be twenty minutes Below, Maximum, Thats what it takes for the Disco party to arrive from the Horizon,

Over here, Ships dont conserve lighting, And you certainly can tell which way they are going, There is no guess work involved there,

Their Nav lights, The white one right at the top of the Xmas tree,

I dont know what it is, But most people cannot sit in a darkened area when there are lights available,

For the last 20 years, I have lived in a house surrounded by continous glass from floor to ceiling,
I need the lights on about 5 days a month, due to no light from the moon or heavy rain clouds,

I can see quite clearly, even if dimly, But when I tell people I will turn off the lights so they can see the view, They have a very quick look and want the lights back on, Some even get distressed,,

The only difference, Home to the boat, Ones at sea, ones in the mountains,

Any lighting on board at night, Diminshes your night vision, Turn it off, you dont need it on,

Close to shore its a different matter,

+1 , Thats the reality, ( except for the hammock).


dave

goboatingnow 19-08-2013 05:19

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I must say to people that , think you have to be in the cockpit every minute of the watch , standing up , total attention, well your sailing must be confined to weekends. Nobody stands watch like that, and nobody needs to.

If you are that afraid of a crewman ( or yourself) to need that type of continuos attention, you need to reevaluate why you are sailing for fun.

close , heavy traffic, or racing, thats different, but we are talking here about the generality of cruising.

dave

boatman61 19-08-2013 05:30

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Only boats I'll get on where I'm not skipper are those at anchor... and I've been invited over for a 'Sundowner'.... so 'Raku' need have no nightmares...:p

skipmac 19-08-2013 05:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jackdale (Post 1316315)
Have you even seen what happens if you catch rod rigging with a spot light?

I have to confess that I've never sailed a boat with rod rigging. I'm guessing a light on rod rigging would make it shine brightly and reflect the light???


Quote:

Originally Posted by jackdale (Post 1316315)
I also tell the crew not to look at anyone when in a conversation and headlamps are on.

I have found that giving this instruction is only partly and temporarily successful. If someone is using a head light for any period of time just the normal looking around, turning a head will end up flashing the others in the face. The only way I can see to prevent this is to turn on the light for just the brief period needed to look at the job in front of you and immediately turn it off. Any time I have ever seen anyone that walked around or worked with the head light constantly on I was flashed.

skipmac 19-08-2013 05:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by goboatingnow (Post 1316524)
I must say to people that , think you have to be in the cockpit every minute of the watch , standing up , total attention, well your sailing must be confined to weekends. Nobody stands watch like that, and nobody needs to.

If you are that afraid of a crewman ( or yourself) to need that type of continuos attention, you need to reevaluate why you are sailing for fun.

close , heavy traffic, or racing, thats different, but we are talking here about the generality of cruising.

dave

:thumb:

Not that it would be completely impossible to stand watch like this, but long passages, short handed it would be very wearing, take a lot of fun out of the trip and as you say, nobody needs to.

As long as someone is on deck most of the time, scans the horizon (full 360 including aft and behind the jib) every few minutes and keeps up with other standard watch requirements (check the bilges, gauges, etc) I see little to no benefit on having to stand up the whole watch, never leave the deck, never allowed to read.

Sandero 19-08-2013 05:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by goboatingnow (Post 1316514)
Jeez Id hate to be on a 4-6 day cruise with you. with two up, we make dinner, I cook , the other cooks, whatever.

dave

That was for night watches. I prepare cooked meals which are frozen... and quite gourmet. Who eats in the middle of the night?

I did a delivery from VT to Brazil with a Brit... he was a great chef and we did not eat the same meal twice the entire time!

Is that ok?

goboatingnow 19-08-2013 05:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by defjef (Post 1316547)
That was for night watches. I prepare cooked meals which are frozen... and quite gourmet. Who eats in the middle of the night?

I did a delivery from VT to Brazil with a Brit... he was a great chef and we did not eat the same meal twice the entire time!

Is that ok?


Oh I see , yes, night watches, snacks only, too much galley noise wakes the off watch and then they get pissed.

dave

Wrong 19-08-2013 06:02

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Originally Posted by goboatingnow (Post 1316160)
I was just commenting that cheeckho post was exactly on the number.

I'm impressed yiu can see the bow and stern lights .....!! , must be a glass boat.

Dave

For the uninitiated. I've provided an illustration of the lights goboatingnow apparently has no clue exists. Don't get out much now, do you Dave?
Forward along the line at the top of the ship is a mast. It has a "range light". Toward the back of the line is a mast light. The range light is lower than the mast light, so you can tell which direction the vessel is moving in. I'll let you guess about what your alignment with these lights should be in order to avoid a collision.
:devil:

:popcorn:

Mr B 19-08-2013 06:09

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Originally Posted by goboatingnow (Post 1316519)
+1 , Thats the reality, ( except for the hammock).


dave

The Hammock is Reality, Hahahahaha

My feet sit on the top of the transom, I am actually hanging in mid air above the Drive leg, Out Behind the boat,

The Canopy folds back out of the way, I lift the back of it up so the panels have full sun,

Its exceptionally comfortable,
The Dinghy hangs under the Solar Panels on the same Davits,

Incredible as it sounds, That Hammock is the most stable platform on my boat,
It has a gentle up and down movement, None sideways,

The Wind Gen post, Was the hanging on point for Nature calls,

Only pitfall of it, A big following wave can wash you sideways out of it,

So, Harness is a must out there, Compulsory in bad weather,

Cheers,
Brian,
PS; This boat really did have all the bells and whistles, Hahahahaha,

zeehag 19-08-2013 06:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by monte (Post 1316393)
D&D, the white light in Zeehags post is the steaming masthead light, so from bow on its Green white red. Zee, you can;t see both red and green from astern unless someone has seriously f*&cked up their nav light instalation..
https://www.msq.qld.gov.au/~/media/ms..._lights_l.ashx


what i see on huge ships is a red isolated on port at midships and a green isolated on stbd at midships and a tall white on bow and a tall white on stern. these are visible from head on, from side views, color appropriate, and can be seen from astern when sailing across their transom at a reasonable distance.
i spent many days and many nights drifting in pacific ocean watching these giants slide by as we went with currents in our west coast mexican waters.
when sailing gom, we slalomed thru them in tampa when they were at anchor just outside the harbor entrance as they awaited pilot assistance.
i am aware of the what SHOULD be seen and from what angles--is what i noticed when drifting among the giants.

autopilot helps a lot--even that wheel thing autohelm makes works some. i have a quadrant mounted hydraulic unit which is awesome in big winds, as i dont have to fight this brick when surprised in darkness by a chubasco. it uses minimal electricity, as it is electric assist hydraulic. i love this crewmember as much as i care about my boat. and the cat . and me. is just as valuable as an added crew.:thumb:

skipmac 19-08-2013 06:13

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Originally Posted by Wrong (Post 1316569)
For the uninitiated. I've provided an illustration of the lights goboatingnow apparently has no clue exists. Don't get out much now, do you Dave?
Forward along the line at the top of the ship is a mast. It has a "range light". Toward the back of the line is a mast light. The range light is lower than the mast light, so you can tell which direction the vessel is moving in. I'll let you guess about what your alignment with these lights should be in order to avoid a collision.
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I believe Dave's point was not that freighters lack lights but at sea they are not usually on. That has certainly been my experience.

Sure cruise boats are lit up like a small city but 99% of the freighters and tankers I've encountered at sea, aside from the nav lights there were just a few relatively dim lights around the bridge and cabins and not visible much until you were within a couple of miles.

zeehag 19-08-2013 06:16

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funny how all the tankers i have seen have their lights on at night, so far, gom and pacific--havent yet seen one sans nav lights.
i have come across cruisers sans lights, but not freighters sans lights.
and, of course the pangas with weird lights scattered off shore in darkness manning their drift nets and long lines...my favorite panga lites are from the buoys in mazatlan--they keep missing the flashing red lights...funny how these are seen on pangas at sea and drifting in old harbor.......

goboatingnow 19-08-2013 06:19

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For the uninitiated. I've provided an illustration of the lights goboatingnow apparently has no clue exists. Don't get out much now, do you Dave?
Forward along the line at the top of the ship is a mast. It has a "range light". Toward the back of the line is a mast light. The range light is lower than the mast light, so you can tell which direction the vessel is moving in. I'll let you guess about what your alignment with these lights should be in order to avoid a collision.

What I meant was you cannot see the steaming lights from abaft the beam.(112.5) , nor can you see side nav lights.

Hence you cannot see , red, green and white stern/mast light as a vessel goes away from you , which is what Zee expressed I believe.

dave

Wrong 19-08-2013 06:20

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Originally Posted by skipmac (Post 1316584)
I believe Dave's point was not that freighters lack lights but at sea they are not usually on. That has certainly been my experience.

Sure cruise boats are lit up like a small city but 99% of the freighters and tankers I've encountered at sea, aside from the nav lights there were just a few relatively dim lights around the bridge and cabins and not visible much until you were within a couple of miles.

Don't know where you've been sailing, but if freighters are running without the required lights I'd find some place else to sail. Your experience has not been my experience. I'm still waiting for Dave to define a 'freight boat' for us.
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goboatingnow 19-08-2013 06:22

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Originally Posted by zeehag (Post 1316588)
funny how all the tankers i have seen have their lights on at night, so far, gom and pacific--havent yet seen one sans nav lights.
i have come across cruisers sans lights, but not freighters sans lights.
and, of course the pangas with weird lights scattered off shore in darkness manning their drift nets and long lines...my favorite panga lites are from the buoys in mazatlan--they keep missing the flashing red lights...funny how these are seen on pangas at sea and drifting in old harbor.......

Ive come across many container boats, with very little deck lighting at sea, often only the accommodation passages and under deck passages have work lights. These are often quite low in the water and not seen till closer in. Ive seen loaded VLCCs with virtually nothing lit aft of the forward range light , till the accommodation block.

All I was saying that while many are lit up like cruise liners, not all are and its a dangerous assumption to believe they are.

dave

Wrong 19-08-2013 06:25

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Originally Posted by Wrong (Post 1316082)
Even in the rare case when a ship may not throw so much light as to look like a city in the distance, I have never had trouble recognizing the white navigation lights on bow and stern far enough away to discern that first it is a ship and second direction of travel. Even in significant seas. What do you define as a "freight boat"?
:whistling:

What I said. Guess I should have been more specific, eh? Masthead and range lights, eh? I think most experience cruisers know exactly what I was talking about.:rolleyes:


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