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Wrong 19-08-2013 13:55

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Originally Posted by Snore (Post 1317040)
While you have me on open sea miles, I've done a fair amount of endurance racing. Informal surveys of guys who have raced 24-48 hours non-stop is that junk food results in secondary problems. These include loss of mental acuity and hallucinations. YMMV, or you could just be young enough that your body can run on that fuel.

Something to ponder.

Me? I have two Natural High dried meals for quick food. Heat water, add to package, wrap towel around bag, and eat anywhere- anytime. That and kippers or sardines

Maybe he enjoys loss of mental acuity and hallucinations!:devil:

Snore 19-08-2013 14:06

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Originally Posted by Wrong (Post 1317050)

Maybe he enjoys loss of mental acuity and hallucinations!:devil:

Nah at 03:00 the last thing you want to see in the clouds are angry Walt Disney elves from the cartoon Cinderella.... Long story behind that, best told in person at a pub.

Wrong 19-08-2013 14:12

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Originally Posted by Snore (Post 1317063)
Nah at 03:00 the last thing you want to see in the clouds are angry Walt Disney elves from the cartoon Cinderella.... Long story behind that, best told in person at a pub.

I was hallucinating from lack of sleep about two days away from Hiva Oa. If I told folks about the clouds I thought I was seeing it would be confirmation for at least some at Cruisers Forum I am insane.

Best left alone.:whistling:

jackdale 19-08-2013 14:46

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Originally Posted by Wrong (Post 1317075)
I was hallucinating from lack of sleep about two days away from Hiva Oa. If I told folks about the clouds I thought I was seeing it would be confirmation for at least some at Cruisers Forum I am insane.

Best left alone.:whistling:

If you read accounts of single handed racers, the honest ones admit to hallucinations and imaginary friends. Robin Knox-Johnson claims it never happened to him, but he does mention hearing voices in his book.

boatman61 19-08-2013 15:25

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Originally Posted by jackdale (Post 1316948)
A better approach when disabled is to contact vessel traffic services and let them know of your predicament. They will then inform all participating traffic.

Been there, done that. In 2000 we were adrift at the entrance to Juan de Fuca Straits for 1.5 days. (No transmission.) We actually were NUC but did not have the lights or dayshapes to display. Tofino Traffic and Seattle Traffic let shipping know our position; they have much more powerful transmitters.

Reminds me of a Biscay crossing... (old members get ready to yawn:D)... 36 hours into the Bay with a 6 day perfect window courtesy of UK Weather... we got hit by a 60 gusting 70 from the SE.. for those unfamiliar with the Bay this causes the seas to stack vertically (wind over tide kinda)... so we've huge seas straight up n down... any sail up tries to knock you of the top and in the troughs theres nothing so heaving to is a waste of time and expensive on sails. So... I doused all sail and being near the lanes I put out a Pan Pan... vessel not under command... got an answer from a tanker who I asked for a relay to Ushant and Finisterre to state a nav warning for my position and estimated drift direction and SOG... duly done... and all credit to the Merchant Marine of all countries ploughing those waters... every so often a ship would mooch over in our direction and hail us to check all was well... There be good guys out there... if I remember correctly we were Nav warning 94 in 1996:p

goboatingnow 19-08-2013 15:39

Not another biscay story :p


Dave

boatman61 19-08-2013 15:49

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Originally Posted by goboatingnow (Post 1317183)
Not another biscay story :p


Dave

Sorry Dave... its about the only place that isn't boring...:p

Therapy 19-08-2013 17:01

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Originally Posted by Blue Crab (Post 1316897)
I have a general distrust of people who need constant diversion. Are their brains devoid of thoughts? I don't need or tolerate "background noise." I know many folks who feel like they must talk all the time. A few are men but most are women, I am truly sorry to report.

As a single and devilishly handsome, slim and trim old guy I get a lot of attention from elderly widows but I'd rather go without the other benefits than listen to idle claptrap. :cool:

If it's good I'll talk a streak.
But I could sit with no background for a loooooonng time too. :thumb:
We should go sailing.

Blue Crab 19-08-2013 17:19

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Next time man. I gotta get off here for a bit. Civility is slipping away.

zeehag 19-08-2013 17:23

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oooooooooooh, crabby----come on down and listen to the music of the ocean with me.... they even have rum down here, mon....

tropicalescape 19-08-2013 17:41

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Originally Posted by zeehag (Post 1316816)
i am fortunate enough to have irregular nerve endings due collagen disorder which changes parasympathetic receptors and transmitters. i sense a change before it occurs. is a wonderful gift. strange but wonderful... i usually have 8 minutes to figure it all out before whatever it is gonna happen does. usually i am correct. there are witnesses--i allowed them to live as no one else would ever believe them

worked well at sports car races when i was in response ambulance.....
works well at sea and while stationary......
i am damlucky and very appreciative of that gift that keeps me in tune with whatever it is i am in tune with.
this gift has kept more than just me alive and healthy.

So your a mind reader?? lol

D&D 19-08-2013 18:19

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Originally Posted by Blue Crab (Post 1317310)
I gotta get off here for a bit. Civility is slipping away.

...and repetition is taking its place.:banghead:

Stay safe fellow cruisers, whatever your night watch keeping practices/peculiarities!

zeehag 19-08-2013 18:23

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Originally Posted by tropicalescape (Post 1317335)
So your a mind reader?? lol

not so lucky

tropicalescape 20-08-2013 05:56

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Originally Posted by Blue Crab (Post 1316897)
I have a general distrust of people who need constant diversion. Are their brains devoid of thoughts? I don't need or tolerate "background noise." I know many folks who feel like they must talk all the time. A few are men but most are women, I am truly sorry to report.

As a single and devilishly handsome, slim and trim old guy I get a lot of attention from elderly widows but I'd rather go without the other benefits than listen to idle claptrap. :cool:

Well you have the (blue) crabs,are devilishly handsome,slim and trim and the old widows are a clap-trap, things havent changed much up Buxton way!!..Lol..:p

tropicalescape 20-08-2013 06:01

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Originally Posted by Rakuflames (Post 1316966)
Yeah I could hang one there, but I couldn't be at the helm there. :)

I've told my daughters I want a hanging chair for Christmas or birthday (they're close together).

Hey Raku ,google ,"Nags Head Hammocks" they arent cheap but neither is the quality...I have seen custom work they did for a guys 60ft sailboat and it was really nice stuff..

boatman61 20-08-2013 06:05

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Originally Posted by zeehag (Post 1317314)
oooooooooooh, crabby----come on down and listen to the music of the ocean with me.... they even have rum down here, mon....

In the land of Tequila your drinking rum....:rolleyes:
Bring on the salt and lemons...:thumb:

Rakuflames 20-08-2013 06:35

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Originally Posted by tropicalescape (Post 1317695)
Hey Raku ,google ,"Nags Head Hammocks" they arent cheap but neither is the quality...I have seen custom work they did for a guys 60ft sailboat and it was really nice stuff..


I'll do that!

Rakuflames 20-08-2013 06:41

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Originally Posted by Snore (Post 1317040)
While you have me on open sea miles, I've done a fair amount of endurance racing. Informal surveys of guys who have raced 24-48 hours non-stop is that junk food results in secondary problems. These include loss of mental acuity and hallucinations. YMMV, or you could just be young enough that your body can run on that fuel.

Something to ponder.

Me? I have two Natural High dried meals for quick food. Heat water, add to package, wrap towel around bag, and eat anywhere- anytime. That and kippers or sardines


Would that problem with hallucinations occur solo sailing on a long trip -- I'm particularly thinking about the 13 year old who sailed around the world. We debated the wisdom of that at the time. Personally I wouldn't want any 13 year old of mine going through that by herself ...

goboatingnow 20-08-2013 06:46

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Would that problem with hallucinations occur solo sailing on a long trip -- I'm particularly thinking about the 13 year old who sailed around the world. We debated the wisdom of that at the time. Personally I wouldn't want any 13 year old of mine going through that by herself ...
Sure, they are all living in a world of their own anyway!.
Dave

Wrong 20-08-2013 07:21

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Originally Posted by Rakuflames (Post 1317726)
Would that problem with hallucinations occur solo sailing on a long trip -- I'm particularly thinking about the 13 year old who sailed around the world. We debated the wisdom of that at the time. Personally I wouldn't want any 13 year old of mine going through that by herself ...

If Dave (goboatingnow), with his limited experience is qualified to sail his boat, there's no doubt the 13 year old who has successfully sailed around the world had sufficient experience and skill to do it.
:devil:

goboatingnow 20-08-2013 07:24

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Originally Posted by Wrong (Post 1317770)
If Dave (goboatingnow), with his limited experience is qualified to sail his boat, there's no doubt the 13 year old who has successfully sailed around the world had sufficient experience and skill to do it.
:devil:

its all true, in reality I am a middle aged mom in Montana with greying hair and an expanding middle.

ps as a statement of teh obvious

'here's no doubt the 13 year old who has successfully sailed around the world "

"had sufficient experience and skill to do it"

its a good one.:viking:

dave

Snore 20-08-2013 14:42

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Originally Posted by goboatingnow (Post 1317773)

its all true, in reality I am a middle aged mom in Montana with greying hair and an expanding middle.


Hmmmm---- please post photos in the "crew available" section.


For those who had questions about the hallucinations, a non-clinical test of endurance racers found that there was a 100% correlation between sugary and/or highly processed foods and hallucinations. To a man everyone who had them, that stopped eating processed foods stopped having them. At least one or two guys went weeks without them, ate some Dinty Moore stew and had one 12-14 hours later. Garbage in-Garbage Out applies to computer programs and humans. While not a double blind test, there is enough evidence to support the conclusion.

weavis 21-03-2014 04:18

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Greetings from not so sunny U.K. this morning. I love threads like this. For an observer, it certainly is entertaining to see the personalities involved. For the record, Im English, worked abroad in the medical field for the last 25 years, Australia, Europe and 12 years in the USA. As of now Im back and forth to Spain and Italy teaching.

My background in sailing is mainly inland waters and coastal. Had a Seawych 19 and an Eventide 24 (in U.K.) plus assortment of USA offshore power cruisers (up to 45 foot) mainly used for Gulf fishing in Florida. Not what I would call extensive experience compared to you guys, but would be out there 3 or 4 days a week sometimes overnighting. The Gulf can blow up nasty as you are aware.

The one thing I note is that my 'response' to posts is very English. We as a race tend to veer towards understatement, sarcasm, humour and self or other deprecation. We as a race, are not averse to calling B.S. and dont suffer fools gladly, and at the same time we, in the main, couch it in a relatively polite manner but dripping in sarcasm for those that can read between the lines.

I have experienced the rigidness of the USA system of absolutes, as well as in some European countries, and have tried to adapt to their rules, their ways, but in the end, we are who we are and that will always be there.

All the experienced posters writing on this forum, are still alive. They achieved that by applying methods that culture, study and common sense made it so. However, other sailors did it differently and are still alive. That tells me that in the main... a lot of different techniques work. Some maybe better than others, some not as well.

Now I like the style of Boatman, his writing style and oulook on life make me laugh. But more than this, I am sure his competence as a skipper and sailor is far above the norm. His concern for the vessel and safety is imbedded so deep that it is instinctive to do the right thing at all times from training and experience. I also note some of the more 'rigid' and dogmatic skippers have equal amounts of experience and competence, but express it through ways in which it suits them to get things done, for them.

All of us want to be safe. All of us are concerned for the wellbeing of crew, vessel and others, not to mention ourselves. We have different backgrounds, some military, some laid back travelers and some just who we are.

The basic reason with a set of laws is of attribution of blame in the event of something going wrong. If blame is attached for an incident involving an unattended watch, then REGARDLESS of the reason for it not being observed, the law stands. Each skipper has to determine how to avoid consequences on his or her vessel.

Safety is paramount. Each skipper has to live with their conscience if an event happens out of his or her control. Some tighten up routine, some impose harsh rules of operation, some do this some do that. Some boat rules seem opposite to what we would do but hey, its their boat... either sail on it with knowledge of their ways or.......... dont.

I sail alone for the most part because if I want to get somewhere, Im not committed to returning at a set time. I dont always end up where Im going. I have never done a trip more than 150 miles solo, and in a motor vessel this can be done quickly, and if in a sailing vessel, Im used to staying up 24 hours or more at a stretch. I can power nap for 30 mins in 12 hours for days then need to sleep for 4 hours to recharge. Others do not have my background training or experience and I do not expect them to do what I do. My instincts on a vessel is to always be on the deck if alone. If I need to whizz... I whizz over the side, If number two is brewing, I make sure Im ready to part with it and start to finish its done in 5 minutes in the head.

If Im crewing, and I know the skipper and he knows me, he is aware of my self protectionist attitude and reluctance to hit a moving vessel or be hit by one. He sleeps easy and so do I.

As far as lights go... if I need to read a chart, I have a red light.. If I dont have a red one, I have a low powered white one. I gave up trying to read in the dark years ago. I also have a pair of those enclosed dark sunglasses so popular with older folk.. I put them on if have to go below for a dump or to boil water. Even in cabin light, it negates night blindness by just allowing you to see and no more. And that is the point of light, to stop you pouring boiling water over your legs instead of the mug and to place your posterior where the heads opening is..

Skipper is the boss. Hopefully not an ego maniac or have an arrogant persona. We have to decide what we are capable of and capable of putting up with, and if his or her estimation of our talents differ, then we need to find another berth. Im not as experienced as many of you and will bow to and bend to your knowledge. I have mild difficulties when that knowledge is couched in absolutes and personal preferences which are dictatorial in nature. No need to elaborate, we all know people like this.

Thank you all so much for sharing your experience and knowledge so freely, with your quirks and personalites and differences. I have learned so very much.

GordMay 21-03-2014 05:01

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Greetings and welcome aboard the CF, weavis.

weavis 21-03-2014 05:28

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Originally Posted by GordMay (Post 1498125)
Greetings and welcome aboard the CF, weavis.

Thank you for the kind welcome

carstenb 21-03-2014 06:17

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Boaty's Ok and knows whereof he speaks - the rest of us are full of sheeeet.

But we usually get into port alive anyway

weavis 21-03-2014 06:25

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Originally Posted by carstenb (Post 1498196)
Boaty's Ok and knows whereof he speaks - the rest of us are full of sheeeet.

But we usually get into port alive anyway

He makes me laugh simply because of the humour I grew up with. I have worked with superb experts in their respective fields, (surgery, Flying, Boating etc) and love it when the problems/dangers/ experience are understated but handled with amazing skill. Its a cultural thing. Im sure at some things he can be a pain too.. but it probably would still make me laugh..

letsgetsailing3 21-03-2014 07:20

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Originally Posted by weavis (Post 1498201)
He makes me laugh simply because of the humour I grew up with. I have worked with superb experts in their respective fields, (surgery, Flying, Boating etc) and love it when the problems/dangers/ experience are understated but handled with amazing skill. Its a cultural thing. Im sure at some things he can be a pain too.. but it probably would still make me laugh..

I think you mean 'humor', right?

Boatie makes all of us laugh, so it's probably our shared culture in spite of the language differences...

MarkJ 21-03-2014 07:32

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Originally Posted by letsgetsailing3 (Post 1498249)
I think you mean 'humor', right?

.

"Humour" is spelled "humour" except in a small country where they screwed the English language right up and spell stuff "interestingly". :D

weavis 21-03-2014 07:35

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Yes. the abilty to enforce proper comprehension and spelling when countries objected to British Rule was sadly lost. Perhaps one of two of the requirements on the locals were deemed to be a bit harsh and sadly they got hot and bothered and asked the Brits to leave. Never understood that.... Spelling and grammar is the quintessence of a modern civilisation and it hurts every English person to the quick to see it so abused... those that dont think Chick-fil-A is correctly spelled that is.

carstenb 21-03-2014 08:02

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yes, it is unfortunate that the individuals from that insignificant (:flowers:) country, have lost all honour with their colourless attempts at humour. Indeed they frequently carry spare tyres in their trunks (how odd) instead of their boot, where they rightly belong.

They don't step outside to have a fag,and apparently don't know what a salon car is.

Backwards place:flowers::flowers::flowers::flowers:

FSMike 21-03-2014 09:17

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Originally Posted by carstenb (Post 1498288)
----

They don't step outside to have a fag,and apparently don't know what a salon car is.
----

Shouldn't that be saloon car?
Of course what do I know, being from a country where they don't speak proper English.

Blue Crab 21-03-2014 09:42

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Originally Posted by FSMike (Post 1498337)
Shouldn't that be saloon car?
Of course what do I know, being from a country where they don't speak proper English.

And don't step outside with fags. :rolleyes:

weavis 21-03-2014 09:56

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I only accept crticism personally on the understanding that it will be proven the fault is not really mine. It is just a matter of timing before the issue is cleared up.

As for remonstrating with others regarding fags and salon/saloon cars..........

on reflection of all the available evidence, and as an aside... I believe someone is going to take one for the team.

The good ship Britain sails on, less one crew member. ce'st le vie... whatever that means.

Our brief encounter on the high seas was short carstenb. Your colleagues ambushed you over a trifling mishap with words........ So very sad to see, and thank you for taking it like a mensch. We will think of your fate often over cocktails..

weavis 21-03-2014 10:10

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:thumb:Im thinking Im going to love these forums.:D

goboatingnow 21-03-2014 16:32

Keeping Watch at Night ?
 
I know there's something useful in this thread, but for the life of me I can't find it ;)

Dave

weavis 21-03-2014 16:33

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lol.....

FSMike 22-03-2014 06:22

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Originally Posted by weavis (Post 1498388)
:thumb:Im thinking Im going to love these forums.:D

LOL. Welcome aboard weavis.

Jammer Six 22-03-2014 08:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by weavis (Post 1498097)
Greetings from not so sunny U.K. this morning. I love threads like this. For an observer, it certainly is entertaining to see the personalities involved. For the record, Im English, worked abroad in the medical field for the last 25 years, Australia, Europe and 12 years in the USA. As of now Im back and forth to Spain and Italy teaching.

My background in sailing is mainly inland waters and coastal. Had a Seawych 19 and an Eventide 24 (in U.K.) plus assortment of USA offshore power cruisers (up to 45 foot) mainly used for Gulf fishing in Florida. Not what I would call extensive experience compared to you guys, but would be out there 3 or 4 days a week sometimes overnighting. The Gulf can blow up nasty as you are aware.

The one thing I note is that my 'response' to posts is very English. We as a race tend to veer towards understatement, sarcasm, humour and self or other deprecation. We as a race, are not averse to calling B.S. and dont suffer fools gladly, and at the same time we, in the main, couch it in a relatively polite manner but dripping in sarcasm for those that can read between the lines.

I have experienced the rigidness of the USA system of absolutes, as well as in some European countries, and have tried to adapt to their rules, their ways, but in the end, we are who we are and that will always be there.

All the experienced posters writing on this forum, are still alive. They achieved that by applying methods that culture, study and common sense made it so. However, other sailors did it differently and are still alive. That tells me that in the main... a lot of different techniques work. Some maybe better than others, some not as well.

Now I like the style of Boatman, his writing style and oulook on life make me laugh. But more than this, I am sure his competence as a skipper and sailor is far above the norm. His concern for the vessel and safety is imbedded so deep that it is instinctive to do the right thing at all times from training and experience. I also note some of the more 'rigid' and dogmatic skippers have equal amounts of experience and competence, but express it through ways in which it suits them to get things done, for them.

All of us want to be safe. All of us are concerned for the wellbeing of crew, vessel and others, not to mention ourselves. We have different backgrounds, some military, some laid back travelers and some just who we are.

The basic reason with a set of laws is of attribution of blame in the event of something going wrong. If blame is attached for an incident involving an unattended watch, then REGARDLESS of the reason for it not being observed, the law stands. Each skipper has to determine how to avoid consequences on his or her vessel.

Safety is paramount. Each skipper has to live with their conscience if an event happens out of his or her control. Some tighten up routine, some impose harsh rules of operation, some do this some do that. Some boat rules seem opposite to what we would do but hey, its their boat... either sail on it with knowledge of their ways or.......... dont.

I sail alone for the most part because if I want to get somewhere, Im not committed to returning at a set time. I dont always end up where Im going. I have never done a trip more than 150 miles solo, and in a motor vessel this can be done quickly, and if in a sailing vessel, Im used to staying up 24 hours or more at a stretch. I can power nap for 30 mins in 12 hours for days then need to sleep for 4 hours to recharge. Others do not have my background training or experience and I do not expect them to do what I do. My instincts on a vessel is to always be on the deck if alone. If I need to whizz... I whizz over the side, If number two is brewing, I make sure Im ready to part with it and start to finish its done in 5 minutes in the head.

If Im crewing, and I know the skipper and he knows me, he is aware of my self protectionist attitude and reluctance to hit a moving vessel or be hit by one. He sleeps easy and so do I.

As far as lights go... if I need to read a chart, I have a red light.. If I dont have a red one, I have a low powered white one. I gave up trying to read in the dark years ago. I also have a pair of those enclosed dark sunglasses so popular with older folk.. I put them on if have to go below for a dump or to boil water. Even in cabin light, it negates night blindness by just allowing you to see and no more. And that is the point of light, to stop you pouring boiling water over your legs instead of the mug and to place your posterior where the heads opening is..

Skipper is the boss. Hopefully not an ego maniac or have an arrogant persona. We have to decide what we are capable of and capable of putting up with, and if his or her estimation of our talents differ, then we need to find another berth. Im not as experienced as many of you and will bow to and bend to your knowledge. I have mild difficulties when that knowledge is couched in absolutes and personal preferences which are dictatorial in nature. No need to elaborate, we all know people like this.

Thank you all so much for sharing your experience and knowledge so freely, with your quirks and personalites and differences. I have learned so very much.

What?

weavis 22-03-2014 08:29

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exactly.


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