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dugout 14-08-2013 19:38

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Originally Posted by Rakuflames (Post 1312176)
It takes a lawyer to understand laws. People love to read laws and believe they know what they mean, but often they don't.

... and I make a good living interpreting plain English for folks who believe as you do. Save yourself; words mean things; these are very specific meanings. The key here is the existence of words where they need not be. They are there with purpose.

Rule 5, Lookout
Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper look-out by sight and hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the prevailing circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal of the situation and of the risk of collision.


The rule could have been written without the highlighted verbiage; read it. The sole purpose is to indulge arguments of conditional circumstance and this is exactly what happens in court. Read some case transcripts. Read the legal arguments.:whistling:



Just to stay on topic, I single-hand. I sleep/nap in the daytime when appropriate and traffic permitting. I also use a bridge alarm.:popcorn:

Rakuflames 14-08-2013 19:41

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Originally Posted by rebel heart (Post 1312178)
Aircraft also have a third dimension to operate on. That alone reduces the chances of collision dramatically.


Ironically, on a sailboat we try very hard to avoid that third dimension. :D

boatman61 14-08-2013 19:44

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Originally Posted by dugout (Post 1312259)
...Just to stay on topic, I single-hand. I sleep/nap in the daytime when appropriate and traffic permitting. I also use a bridge alarm.:popcorn:


That's for going down the ICW...??:popcorn:

bobconnie 14-08-2013 19:46

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:whistling:If yall single handers want something to wake ya up, go to the nearest truck stop and get one of the truckers alarms !! Garenteed to wake ya up no problem!! And way cheaper then anything you could buy at any marine store!! just sayin sometimes it pays to shop LOL:D

Rakuflames 14-08-2013 19:46

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Originally Posted by dugout (Post 1312259)
... and I make a good living interpreting plain English for folks who believe as you do.



Just to stay on topic, I single-hand. I sleep/nap in the daytime when appropriate and traffic permitting. I also use a bridge alarm.:popcorn:

Are you a lawyer? Are you telling me that in law school they did not have classes in how to draft legal documents? That you did not build a solid working knowledge of how legal documents are constructed? I'm surprised to hear that. I know the local law school here (Stetson) teaches that.

I took two classes regarding research (not counting statistics) regarding how to read and how to write research. I got pretty good at explaining what it all means to other people as well.

This isn't belief; it's fact. If in fact you are a lawyer, then bravo to you, because it's a challenging enough course of study that your JD is considered the equivalent of a Ph.D. in another discipline. It's something the majority of people can't accomplish.

As for my "reading the cases," yes, that was my point, wasn't it ...

El Pinguino 14-08-2013 20:14

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Originally Posted by Synesthesia (Post 1312113)
What scares me about the Jessica Watson incident is that the ship didn't offer any assistance. That link posted includes this bit about some collision stats



That's out of 35, so the majority of the incidents they looked at. That's horrifying. Would anyone awake on the cargo ship have said anything if she hadn't made it back to shore? Makes you wonder how many times people get run down and don't make it back.

Well actually it did.... the watchkeeper asked if she was OK , she said 'yes', so the ship continued on it way. Your problem with that is what exactly?

At least the watchkeeper had seen her and had taken some action.... she didn't even know there was a BGS right in front of her.

Read this and you won't know whether to laugh or cry..

https://www.islandvulnerability.org/docs/oliva.pdf

meanwhile....
Nightingale Island

carstenb 14-08-2013 23:36

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Originally Posted by wildshore (Post 1311434)
LOL! :smiling:
one thing I have learned the hard way about COLREGS, if you stick to them, you're likely to stay safe, as big a pain in the butt as they can be sometimes.

+1:thumb: Finally someone talking sense

Uncle Arthur 14-08-2013 23:48

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I have sailed with crew 2 -3 and gone solo. With crew there is no excuse not maintaining a watch system . When i Solo it depends on where i am in relation to the land and how busy the shipping is. If i am in open ocean say sailing from Hobart to Nz i would sleep depending on conditions as i would at home , if i wake up then i would take the opportunity to look around then go back to bed .
Also when you solo you sleep when you feel you can day or night , no difference, this way when the **** hits the fan you have the best chance to react pro actively !

Uncle Arthur 15-08-2013 00:03

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Sorry i should have mentioned that i will having every light on that i have including a strobe that i can maintain overnight and not flatten the batteries overnight.

Seaworthy Lass 15-08-2013 03:23

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Originally Posted by Rakuflames (Post 1312171)
I don't see a problem with things like mp3's. You can read a book and look up each page. It's not like you're on a crowded superhighway and you're texting. Naturally in congested areas, that's different.

While on watch is far safer to simply pay attention to the task in hand rather than reading or listening to music or talking books. After some time cruising most people get into a far more relaxed mode and find they are perfectly content to just contemplate the sea and sky and boat rather than needing to be otherwise entertained.

During the day I think it is fine to read and look up every page if you are disciplined enough to do this (at night it is not recommended as it disturbs your night vision). Music at any time though simply means you miss out on useful audio cue both regarding the surroundings and your boat itself :thumb:.

nigel1 15-08-2013 03:31

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If its OK with everyone here, I'll be single handed sailing for 10 days as from next Monday.

atoll 15-08-2013 03:59

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Originally Posted by nigel1 (Post 1312500)
If its OK with everyone here, I'll be single handed sailing for 10 days as from next Monday.

you need to advertise for a 19 year old........the girlfriend need never know:thumb:

Seaworthy Lass 15-08-2013 04:08

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Originally Posted by atoll (Post 1312508)
you need to advertise for a 19 year old........the girlfriend need never know:thumb:

Nigel, if you plan to listen to this advice make sure you remember to display two vertical red lights at night and two back balls (not yours LOL) during the day :D.

Andrew B. 15-08-2013 04:17

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Originally Posted by atoll (Post 1312508)
you need to advertise for a 19 year old........the girlfriend need never know:thumb:

I knew I would gain something useful from this thread...

captain58sailin 15-08-2013 04:21

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I like the books on tape, during watch, it helps keep my mind engaged, you can limit the volume so as not to interfere with watch keeping. I would never allow head phones or ear buds.


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