Force 10 stove, Grill keeps going out

[Nauticatarcher]

I have an older model Force 10 stove, when I use the grill it goes OK initially but once warmed up keeps going out, if I hold knob in and put a lighter to it it makes popping noise and goes out, any suggestions as to what is wrong

[JPA Cate]

Hi, Nauticatarcher,

No, I don't know. Sounds like it blows itself out. On my Mariner that behavior is on the burners (not all of them), and I believe they need new thermocouples. You may need a gas specialist, seeing as how it's Oz.

Hi, from Ann & Jim, currently in Moreton Bay.

[Nauticatarcher]

Thanks Guys, I'm currently in Long Bay, Great Keppel, waiting for southerly change

[Vasco]

How old and a language difference here, what is the grill?is it the oven. If oven does it have a single burner in the middle or a tube at the back.

[CruiseEasy]

Originally Posted by Nauticatarcher

I have an older model Force 10 stove, when I use the grill it goes OK initially but once warmed up keeps going out, if I hold knob in and put a lighter to it it makes popping noise and goes out, any suggestions as to what is wrong

From the Manufacturer:

Q: Why does the burner go out after I release the knob?
A: There are (3) possible issues:
The Control knob may be hitting the control panel – Remove the knob and try lighting the burner.
The Thermocouple is either dirty, has a poor ground connection or has failed.
The solenoid inside the valve has failed.

[jamhass]

Very likely the thermocouple. 2 things to try:

1. look at the burner, and you will find a little stub sticking into the flame. Make sure it is there and secure. This is the sensing end of the thermocouple and needs to be in the flame, clean and tight.

2. Look at the valve the knob is working. The thermocouple attaches to the valve. unscrew (carefully) the t/c from the valve. Carefully clean the end and the place where it attaches to the valve. This is actually an electrical connection and needs as good, clean and secure connection. Fasten the t/c back into the valve and make sure it is secure.

If the problem persists, may need to replace the t/c. They are available from Force 10.

[Cadence]

It sounds like either carbon on the thermocouple or the spacing of it to the burner. The thermocouple is probably the same as you can get a Lowes for a grill. So don't pay an exorbitant price from the stove maker. They are not unique. There may be difference in the capillary tube length so measure what you have and get the same if replacing. It is for temp control. You probably have a claxon valve I would suspect it for the same reasons. JMO

[Brewgyver]

The thermocouple generates a small voltage (measured in millivolts), which is conveyed to a solenoid in the gas control valve. For the circuit to be complete, the connection has to be clean on both ends: at the valve AND where the thermocouple mounts to the burner or bracket.

http://force10.com/files/documents/T...ech%20Note.pdf

[Brewgyver]

Originally Posted by Cadence

It sounds like either carbon on the thermocouple or the spacing of it to the burner. The thermocouple is probably the same as you can get a Lowes for a grill (snip)

Most grills don't have a thermocouple, and Lowe's doesn't have any that would fit in a Force 10.

Most "universal" thermocouples have a generator that is too long to fit, and also lack the threads to lock into position in the Force 10, either at the top or oven/broiler burners. The correct part is available online for about $30 USD (varies depending on model and which burner), so it's worth getting it right.

You can find a good description of the T/C operation and troubleshooting, cleaning and if need be replacement instructions in the manual:
http://www.marlow-hunter.com/wp-cont...In%20Stove.pdf

[Cadence]

Originally Posted by Brewgyver

Most grills don't have a thermocouple, and Lowe's doesn't have any that would fit in a Force 10.

Most "universal" thermocouples have a generator that is too long to fit, and also lack the threads to lock into position in the Force 10, either at the top or oven/broiler burners. The correct part is available online for about $30 USD (varies depending on model and which burner), so it's worth getting it right.

You can find a good description of the T/C operation and troubleshooting, cleaning and if need be replacement instructions in the manual:
http://www.marlow-hunter.com/wp-cont...In%20Stove.pdf

Well then I guess I've just bought cheap grills. I feel sure Lowes has thermocouples they sell gas ranges. Maybe in the appliance parts not grill parts?

[SecondBase]

Originally Posted by Cadence

Well then I guess I've just bought cheap grills. I feel sure Lowes has thermocouples they sell gas ranges. Maybe in the appliance parts not grill parts?

You're right Cadence. Looks like Lowes sells a number of thermocouples.

[Elie]

I recently I have fixed this anoying problem of my Force 10 stove. It kept flaming out when I released the knob on all the burners.
The reason: the thermocouple sensor(the little spigot that sticks out close to the burner) contacts to the burner is corroded, or dirty, and the electrical ground contact is lost.
unbolting the sensor from its base et cleaning and removing all grease, dirt, carbon deposit from the bruner and the sensor's nut cleared the problem.

[Atraxia]

Had the same problem last year with our 1990 stove/oven.
Force 10 sent me replacement t/c and problem solved. Just in case, I decided to replace the solenoids as well but wasn't really needed.
Their service was amazing!! An email and a phone call and all was solved.

[Nauticatarcher]

Grill is the top element in oven, it goes fine for about 5 mins then keeps going out with a pop, seems strange that thermocouple would work for a while then fail but will give it a clean then check

[Brewgyver]

Originally Posted by SecondBase

You're right Cadence. Looks like Lowes sells a number of thermocouples.

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Yes, they do sell a small number of thermocouples- for water heaters, one or two for gas fireplace logs. None of their listed TCs will work in a Force 10, for the reasons stated.

And I've never seen a BBQ-type grill with a thermocouple. If a gas grill had a thermocouple, the lighting process would be the same as with the Force 10 and other marine stoves: you'd have to push the burner knob in and hold it in for a second or two after the flame was established, or it would cut off the gas flow.