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Old 15-03-2018, 05:36   #1
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Interesting article about bottled water testing in New York..
It found on average 10 plastic particles per litre of hair size and 304 microscopic particles small enough to pass through the gut tissues and bed into organs and even enter the blood stream..
As there has never been any research into this effects to the health of humans long term is an unknown..
Tests were carried out on all leading brands such as Evian and others..
Coca Cola and the others of course say it is all within acceptable levels.. which is amusing as there are no levels to compare against..
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Doesn't affect us, we only drink Chateau du Pompey straight from the 30 yr old boat tanks. Safe as houses.

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Indeed ➥ https://orbmedia.org/sites/default/f...aterReport.pdf

Orb Media was also behind a study last year that showed tap water around the world is contaminated with microplastics. The particles have also been found in beer, honey, table salt, and of course seafood, as our oceans are increasingly polluted with plastic waste.
“... More than 80 percent of the samples we collected on five continents tested positive for the presence of plastic fibers ...”
https://orbmedia.org/stories/Invisib...ics/multimedia
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As a species we are world class slobs, even the lowest class animal doesn't crap in their own nest but we seem to really enjoy it. On one return trip from Hawaii I ran into a floating mass of plastic over a mile across and god knows how deep.
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Being top of the food chain means we are absorbing the most plastic.. how much was in that steak last night.. or that Tuna steak.. or chlorinated KFC come to that..
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As a species we are world class slobs, even the lowest class animal doesn't crap in their own nest
While I agree with your general premise here (man's sloppy habits), the above statement is a bit off. If you have spent much time around bird's nests (especially when they nest on a boat!) you will have seen a lot of crappy nests.

Back on topic... is there any research on the effects of the plastic bits in human bodies? As pervasive as it seems to be, epidemiology should reveal any morbidity issues, shouldn't it?

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As far as I know nobody has been looking for it.. and as its a relatively new thing.. microbeads being used extensively... its going to be our kids corpses that will truely show the effects..
I have switched from sea salt to rock salt from ancient deposits.. mind even thats suspect.. is that pink Himalayan salt really just seasalt dyed.???
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Interesting article about bottled water testing in New York..
It found on average 10 plastic particles per litre of hair size and 304 microscopic particles small enough to pass through the gut tissues and bed into organs and even enter the blood stream..
As there has never been any research into this effects to the health of humans long term is an unknown..
Tests were carried out on all leading brands such as Evian and others..
Coca Cola and the others of course say it is all within acceptable levels.. which is amusing as there are no levels to compare against..
On the boat we should be safe as we only drink water from the watermaker. A membrane that filters salt should also filter micro plastic.

OK, and beer. But I guess there is other more dangerous ingredients
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As far as I know nobody has been looking for it.. and as its a relatively new thing.. microbeads being used extensively... its going to be our kids corpses that will truely show the effects..
I have switched from sea salt to rock salt from ancient deposits.. mind even thats suspect.. is that pink Himalayan salt really just seasalt dyed.???
Nah...that Pink Himalayan Salt is from where the Yaks piss.

Sorta like the yellow snow in Canada (and elsewhere).
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The evidence of plastic in food (or drinking water and beverages) is something more serious, even if we cannot yet understand how the tiny or microscopic plastic may affect humans long term. Thanks for posting about it.

The effect on sealife is beginning to be better documented worldwide, and noticed by the public, with photos of fish and bird guts full of plastic fibers or pieces. Sad state of the environment due to man.
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Our population growth rate is pretty steady for most of our time here on this planet. It doesn't change much until after the industrial revolution but man, once petroleum hits the scene the rate goes through the roof!

Anytime you see a population growth rate spike in animals in the wild it's always followed by a crash. Good thing we're not animals.....
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Our population growth rate is pretty steady for most of our time here on this planet. It doesn't change much until after the industrial revolution but man, once petroleum hits the scene the rate goes through the roof!

Anytime you see a population growth rate spike in animals in the wild it's always followed by a crash. Good thing we're not animals.....
So you dont go for Darwins Theory of Evolution then..
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Back on topic... is there any research on the effects of the plastic bits in human bodies? As pervasive as it seems to be, epidemiology should reveal any morbidity issues, shouldn't it?
Too early to say.

Have a look yourself at:
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/la...121-3/fulltext
IJERPH | Special Issue : Microplastics: Hazards to Environmental and Human Health

If you're reading the latest issue of Science, you'll no doubt like me still thinking about the implications of the Bastarache et al paper. See: Phenotype risk scores identify patients with unrecognized Mendelian disease patterns | Science

To give you a quick overview, Bastarache et al., used the database of the Vanderbilt U School of Medicine and worked through the genomes of 21K patients they selected from that database. Bastarache et al., effectively found that a big mob of 'unexplained diseases' were linked to genetic mutations, including mutations that probably happened after birth. Medicos have not yet moved to testing for genetic causes as a matter of course, even for conditions that have been shown to be associated with genes. Bastarache and co., shows that what might soon be standard best practice could be (i) sequence the genome of each individual soon after birth; (ii) identify SNPs known to be associated with disease; (iii) store the sequenced genome as baseline data; and (iv) sequence the genome again when the patient reports new symptoms, to look for new mutations.

Obviously, that all asks for reeducation of medicos, massive investment in genome sequencing, massive storage of data, and ways of linking that data to a person throughout their life.

If we don't understand genetic causes, what chance have we of sorting out the effects of microplastics in the external and internal environments (i.e. meaning inside your cells, floating around in your blood and plasma, in your lung alveoli, in your gut)?

And if a mob of the population, including some medicos and politicians with decision power over budgets and education, cannot agree that we share DNA with (almost? totally?) every other living thing on this planet, what chance do we have?
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The World Health Organization will take a closer look at the risks of plastic particles in bottled drinking water, following a study on the subject that found the material in a number of water brands.

Plastic: WHO launches health review - BBC News

Some plastics we know are toxic, such as #3, which is also known as PVC or vinyl. PVC contains phthalates and heavy metals, and creates dioxins when it burns. Other plastics contain Bisphenol-A (BPA), which has been identified as a chemical that disrupts hormones. Plastics can contain thousands of possible additives, and manufacturers are not required to disclose what their recipes are. Any plastic can leach, depending on the conditions (light, heat) and what additives it includes.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...cosystems.aspx
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I find it quite ironic that my browser is showing me ads for the "Ready Refresh" brand bottled beverage delivery service. ...and this site is brought to you by ????
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