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27-04-2020, 11:08
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Re: Sailboat without engine?
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Originally Posted by Don C L
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Sometimes it works when in a quoted post
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27-04-2020, 11:21
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Re: Sailboat without engine?
Both take me to spectra.
Just reading the link it should take me to engineless.
App problem.
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27-04-2020, 16:29
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Location: W Carib
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Re: Sailboat without engine?
Depends a lot on the intended use of the boat. What are your plans?
Cruising: it can certainly be done, see Lin & Larry Pardey: https://pardeytime.blogspot.com/. Though you will give up some comforts and conveniences to which most modern cruising sailors have become accustomed. On the upside, you will also give up engine maintenance! Me, Ive got a catamaran w twin engines and all the creature comforts for this use. Super comfortable, lots of maintenance, but beats cruising alone.
Daysailing: you dont need no stinking engine! Just a small boat that sails really well and well positioned mooring. Ive got a Hobie 33 for this purpose, exceptional light air performance and pointing ability. It does have a well for an outboard, but I never use it.
Getting the best of both in one boat would be a serious design challenge.
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01-06-2020, 15:15
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Re: Sailboat without engine?
To sail without engine?
Have a good working mizzen, an easy handling jib and a dingy with an warp ancore, drifting anchoreand long ropes onboard. you also need a crew that knows what to do if the boat is a ship....
My ship could sail backwards against the wind and "tack" with the stern first.... of course you have to have a good ship, and my ship it is a good ship, and you may have to be an old man   who has "time"enough to sail.
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01-06-2020, 15:27
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Re: Sailboat without engine?
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Originally Posted by flybynight
Another question from the wannabe sailor!
What are the most serious disadvantages (or even dangers) of sailing the boat without engine? Besides getting out of the port, that is...
Thanks very much! 
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For me, only the one you mentioned. I never motor sail, or motor when becalmed, I never add hours to the engine by using it as a generator.
Kedging works fine for leaving an anchorage, if sailing out is impractical.
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01-06-2020, 15:31
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Re: Sailboat without engine?
Might not be an issue for you, but quite a few marinas require a working engine to allow slip rental. Here on the Gulf Coast I have questioned a few that their only steadfast requirement was the vessel be able to power out (hurricane requirement).
Same marinas did NOT require you to actually leave during a hurricane, just mandated that you have the ability to do so...huh?? I know
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01-06-2020, 16:01
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Re: Sailboat without engine?
I absolutely avoid marinas at all costs 
Probably going to haul onto a beach somewhere for my next antifouling even. No met many marina owners that are even remotely pleasant people, I guess they assume we have no money, but that is not an excuse for being rude.
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01-06-2020, 17:15
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Re: Sailboat without engine?
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Originally Posted by flybynight
Another question from the wannabe sailor!
What are the most serious disadvantages (or even dangers) of sailing the boat without engine? Besides getting out of the port, that is...
Thanks very much! 
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Bottom line is if you are a wannabe sailor, sailing without an engine is pretty much out of the picture......
It can be done but you need both sailing and boating experience as well as knowledge of currents and anchoring
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01-06-2020, 17:17
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Re: Sailboat without engine?
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Originally Posted by thomm225
Bottom line is if you are a wannabe sailor, sailing without an engine is pretty much out of the picture......
It can be done but you need both sailing and boating experience as well as knowledge of currents and anchoring
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Good point! Learning to swim in the deep end usually ends badly
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01-06-2020, 21:30
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Re: Sailboat without engine?
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Originally Posted by Bonny Lass
To sail without engine?
Have a good working mizzen, an easy handling jib and a dingy with an warp ancore, drifting anchoreand long ropes onboard. you also need a crew that knows what to do if the boat is a ship....
My ship could sail backwards against the wind and "tack" with the stern first.... of course you have to have a good ship, and my ship it is a good ship, and you may have to be an old man   who has "time"enough to sail.
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Welcome aboard Bonny Lass!
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01-06-2020, 21:32
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Re: Sailboat without engine?
Keep in mind the OP was asking what the most serious disadvantages or dangers when going engineless are. Being denied a spot in a marina without a working engine certainly qualifies as a major disadvantage.
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02-06-2020, 02:34
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Re: Sailboat without engine?
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Originally Posted by Don C L
Keep in mind the OP was asking what the most serious disadvantages or dangers when going engineless are. Being denied a spot in a marina without a working engine certainly qualifies as a major disadvantage.
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No doubt, although here in Cape Verde there are a number of engineless boats in the marina, have seen them being towed in and out by staff. Once with pretty disastrous results.
I guess it is also a cautionary tale for EU and US sailors that outside of those places it is very much the wild west, with the relative freedom and risks that that entails - they lost control of a 45' steel ketch in a gust while towing it out of the marina, resulting in damaged pulpits and gelcoat for the nearby ships.
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02-06-2020, 04:14
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Re: Sailboat without engine?
Sometimes the racers here are so into it they leave their outboards at the dock for certain races. (to decrease weight)
I have seem them use body weight to rock the boat while simultaneously swinging the rudder to propel the boat and get it in back into the slip at the marina after races (engineless)
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02-06-2020, 04:16
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Re: Sailboat without engine?
I cruise with a relatively small outboard. It would be possible to cruise without, but very inconvenient, and there would be places I wouldn't dare go. There would be inlets I'd never have made it out of under sail or sculling (you can't hog a channel by kedging yourself along it--technically it's anchoring), that with fifteen minutes of motoring I was through and able to hoist sails. The Pacific coast of Central America, and anywhere north of Cape Cod would be a slow nightmare.
Places I would cruise w/o engine: Caribbean, where the trade winds blow--Belize, Bay Islands, etc., as well as Panama and Colombia. Not much current in the San Blas islands, so sailing around is pretty chill. Even so, being able to fire up the outboard and tuck in close or get anchored before dark in a swelly calm is pretty nice.
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02-06-2020, 04:18
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