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17-07-2013, 23:35
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Re: Hive to on every boat...
I wonder if the OP has any more questions?
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18-07-2013, 00:57
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Originally Posted by captain58sailin
I wonder if the OP has any more questions?
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Perhaps the op never really had a question but was instead seeking validation? Seems to me like the OP has chosen to snip at anyone who didn't agree with him. But, what do I know? I'm just another silly landlubber that wastes her time dreaming.
Fair winds, calm waters and safe travel to everyone. ; )
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18-07-2013, 03:02
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#48
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Nearly an old salt
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Re: Hive to on every boat...
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Originally Posted by SkiprJohn
Aloha Rakuflames,
You've made some very good points and in particular the point of how each boat has different characteristics that need to be considered.
Just a comment about the use of your analogy. Since being an old sailing instructor I like to use proper terminology. When you said third sail it invoked a visceral response in me so I just wanted to point that out to you so you can either internalize that or ignore it.
Freeboard acting like a sail is not actually being a sail. You can use your freeboard and bare poles to sail with but they are not truly sails.
kind regards,
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You don't have to like it, but sailing vernacular does not extend to analogies, sorry.
Explaining it as a sail helps people on my boat understand it. If anyone spent any time correcting my language they'd be off at the next port. We all need to work together on a boat, and trying to control people's analogies is, IMO, over the top.
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The use of teh term "sail" in relation to effects of freeboard, or cabin top etc is in my mind , perfectly acceptable. Its common enough to hear terms like "she's sailing of the spray hood". A Sail is anything that propels the vessel in any direction in response to the wind, it does not mean a aerofoil effect is in operation.
dave
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18-07-2013, 11:35
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Re: Hive to on every boat...
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Originally Posted by goboatingnow
The use of teh term "sail" in relation to effects of freeboard, or cabin top etc is in my mind , perfectly acceptable. Its common enough to hear terms like "she's sailing of the spray hood". A Sail is anything that propels the vessel in any direction in response to the wind, it does not mean a aerofoil effect is in operation.
dave
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Ok, I understand that you don't care about what I said and I do understand that English is a messy language. Nouns can be confused with verbs. My definition of a sail is different from your definition.
When I instruct my students I'll continue to use dictionary definitions to provide a bit of clarification.
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18-07-2013, 12:24
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Re: Hive to on every boat...
John,
"When I instruct my students I'll continue to use dictionary definitions to provide a bit of clarification."
Yes! I surely do agree with you.
Ann
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18-07-2013, 12:32
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Re: Hive to on every boat...
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Originally Posted by Coops
So now I know that a motor boat only has one sail.
Coops.
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Do you think that means a power cat has two sails?
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18-07-2013, 13:24
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Re: Hive to on every boat...
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Originally Posted by goboatingnow
The use of teh term "sail" in relation to effects of freeboard, or cabin top etc is in my mind , perfectly acceptable. Its common enough to hear terms like "she's sailing of the spray hood". A Sail is anything that propels the vessel in any direction in response to the wind, it does not mean a aerofoil effect is in operation.
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Sure. And, no analogy is perfect. But it's an easy and quick way to get people sailing with me to pay attention to that effect.
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18-07-2013, 13:25
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Re: Hive to on every boat...
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Originally Posted by SkiprJohn
Ok, I understand that you don't care about what I said and I do understand that English is a messy language. Nouns can be confused with verbs. My definition of a sail is different from your definition.
When I instruct my students I'll continue to use dictionary definitions to provide a bit of clarification.
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My gracious, John -- did someone tell you how to instruct your students? Slap them silly!
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18-07-2013, 14:25
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Re: Hive to on every boat...
My boat apparently heaves quite well with just the staysail and no main at all. I have not done this personally, but apparently it works quite well in some conditions.
I would certainly argue that any Bermuda rig boat that can sail, can heave to quite readily. Not necessarily in all conditions, but in many.
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18-07-2013, 15:36
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Re: Hive to on every boat...
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Originally Posted by Rakuflames
My gracious, John -- did someone tell you how to instruct your students? Slap them silly!
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Not legal any more but, of course, for you I could make an exception.
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18-07-2013, 16:12
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Re: Hive to on every boat...
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Originally Posted by SkiprJohn
Not legal any more but, of course, for you I could make an exception.
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And I've never slapped a teacher, but some are so bad at it they should be. Not referring to anyone in particular, of course.
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21-07-2013, 05:44
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Re: Hive to on every boat...
Does hive to work also on a Catamaran or Trimaran?
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21-07-2013, 05:51
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Location: South Padre Island, Tx
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Re: Hive to on every boat...
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Originally Posted by Gypsy_Soul
Perhaps the op never really had a question but was instead seeking validation? Seems to me like the OP has chosen to snip at anyone who didn't agree with him. But, what do I know? I'm just another silly landlubber that wastes her time dreaming.
Fair winds, calm waters and safe travel to everyone. ; )
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Does OP mean the Original Poster or, am I wrong? I did not snip on anyone. The back and forth of this discussion has become very confusing to me and I realized, there are only a few comments really informative, the rest is back and forth. Since I am cruising and my day is basicly make the boat ready, look where to go, if Panama, Rio Dulce or wherever my desires lead me, I read the postings, find some very interesting and others I overgo very fast. But I haven´t snipped on anyone, nore made any kind of attack to somebody.
This, as far as I understand I iniciated the thread and therefore, I am the "Original Poster" (OP). Maybe, as english is not my native language, I understood this one wrong?
Anyway, I thank like all the time to each and everyone for answers, since I ALWAYS learn something.... some related to the issue..... some others not..... but I learn...
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22-07-2013, 15:07
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cruiser
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Re: Hive to on every boat...
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Originally Posted by Syserenity
Does OP mean the Original Poster or, am I wrong? I did not snip on anyone. The back and forth of this discussion has become very confusing to me and I realized, there are only a few comments really informative, the rest is back and forth. Since I am cruising and my day is basicly make the boat ready, look where to go, if Panama, Rio Dulce or wherever my desires lead me, I read the postings, find some very interesting and others I overgo very fast. But I haven´t snipped on anyone, nore made any kind of attack to somebody.
This, as far as I understand I iniciated the thread and therefore, I am the "Original Poster" (OP). Maybe, as english is not my native language, I understood this one wrong?
Anyway, I thank like all the time to each and everyone for answers, since I ALWAYS learn something.... some related to the issue..... some others not..... but I learn...
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No, you have not done anytying wrong here. OP does mean "original poster."
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23-07-2013, 12:00
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Re: Hive to on every boat...
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I used our club Wharram Catamaran for training purposes a few sessions and could not get it to heave to. I don't know if it was just that boat, a Wharram 23, or catamarans in general.
kind regards,
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