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Old 25-07-2018, 03:42   #46
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He has 40 years sailing experience.

I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he knows what he is doing.

I have absolutely no idea why you feel unable to do the same.

Some kind of insecurity there.
No insecurity, just trying to help.

And btw, sailing experience and racing experience are two totally different things
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Re: Boat doesn't budge in light winds

Seriously?
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Old 25-07-2018, 04:02   #48
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He’s a guy who posted a pretty clear description of some odd perceived problems and you managed to turn it into THAT?

Turned it into yet another totally irrelevant spiel on beach cats.


Par for the course.
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Seriously?
Sure, sailing is nice and relaxing.

You can have your boat setup most any old way and sail it wherever you like

Most folks that aren't racing usually sail off the wind some place and rarely beat right into which is how most races start. Some don't even raise their mainsail

Sheeting even if off by an inch or two can lose a race as can tons of other stuff like improper mast rake, overly loose or too tight prebend, bad course management, etc.

None of these things matter to a guy that's just out sailing

It not easy to see boats sailing off ahead of you even though all your telltales are flowing normally......
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The point is many new racers get so in a hurry they make mistakes.

You should know this since you claim to have some racing background.

Normal mistakes include oversheeting and trying to point too high.

Others are misjudging the favored end of the start/finish, improper boat setup for the conditions, wrong sail selection, incorrect batten selection, etc

As far as the rigging, that's part of boat setup which is usually adjusted whenever the conditions change. Sometimes every race

He'll do better with more experience...…...racing

And none of that has any relevance whatsoever to a boat sailing OK on one tack but stalling on the other tack in light winds.


But go ahead, tell us yet again what a great beach cat sailor you are. I'm sure that there is someone here who hasn't heard it countless times. One day it may be relevant.
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Turned it into yet another totally irrelevant spiel on beach cats.
It's not irrelevant at all.

On beach cats you get to learn everything twice as fast because things happen so fast on a beach cats which have a 70 plus sail area to displacement ratio

Also, on your average Saturday and Sunday Regatta you might do 6 races. That's 6 starts and 12-18 course completions

Lots of learning happening as compared to the monohull guys with their one race

This is why starting out on beach cats or small boats is the way to go before getting into big boat racing or sailing
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And none of that has any relevance whatsoever to a boat sailing OK on one tack but stalling on the other tack in light winds.
Unless it's due to the Skipper's lack of experience racing...….tacks especially in light air should be smooth and easy

I've seen these guy slamming through their tacks in 5 knot winds and stopping their boats countless times
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Unless it's due to the Skipper's lack of experience racing...….tacks especially in light air should be smooth and easy

I've seen these guy slamming through their tacks in 5 knot winds and stopping their boats countless times

But only on a starboard tack?
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But only on a starboard tack?
A slight misunderstanding there since the OP said "On the Port tack we were making 2-3 knots about 45 degrees off the wind. But when we tack over the boat stops."

Btw, was the OP using his racing sails or his cruising sails

Where is the wind on the OP's face? Same as before? Except the opposite side.

Two things can be learned here. Boat setup before every race and smooth tacks in light air. (don't slam the rudder or the boom)

Plus tons of other stuff.

And don't forget, in light air steer by your uppermost set of telltales
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It's not irrelevant at all.

On beach cats you get to learn everything twice as fast because things happen so fast on a beach cats which have a 70 plus sail area to displacement ratio

Also, on your average Saturday and Sunday Regatta you might do 6 races. That's 6 starts and 12-18 course completions

Lots of learning happening as compared to the monohull guys with their one race

This is why starting out on beach cats or small boats is the way to go before getting into big boat racing or sailing
Oh my goodness... I finally realise why I am such a totally CRAP sailor. I started out on Sabots, Mirrors, Lasers then, and this is where it all went wrong... I went to Mosquito cats.

If only I'd bought a Hobie... I'd know how to sail.

Ah, what a tragedy.

Never mind, I'll just have to keep putting up with not knowing a thing about sailing...

What a shame.
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Turned it into yet another totally irrelevant spiel on beach cats.


Par for the course.
I did the math a while back and figured up the percentage of Thomm's posts in which he used the words "beach cats", it was around 11% if I remember correctly. He posted on them in a discussion that, again, had nothing to do with beach cats, so I got curious.

Percentage may be higher now, not doing it again.

Sorry for the drift.
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Re: Boat doesn't budge in light winds

Also, there's no one size fits all for boat setup.

The 2nd and 3rdd place boats after the start here have quite different prebend/main sheeting..........as can be seen by their mast bend

As well as steering technique and boat heel. Lots depends on position on the course and traffic

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Also, there's no one size fits all for boat setup.

The 2nd and 3rdd place boats after the start here have quite different prebend/main sheeting..........as can be seen by their mast bend

As well as steering technique and boat heel. Lots depends on position on the course and traffic

You are taking this piss... right?

Please tell me you are...
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It appears you've never raced.

Beginners do some strange things because they want to do well.

It sometimes takes a while to be able to sail away from the mark to get to the mark.

If you get a chance try a race when you learn a bit more about sailing


I’ve raced for thirty years. 470’s, Etchells, J/24’s. WL’s and distance, offshore. Three nights a week for the last few years in Annapolis. Finished a race last week in a Farr 400.

He’s not pointing too high.

And if you post one more time about beach cats I’m going to block you. It’s like a nervous tic you have. Just stop.
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I'd like to think he's winding us up.

The alternative is too sad to contemplate.
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