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22-05-2021, 16:21
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Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Deale, MD
Boat: PDQ Altair, 32/34
Posts: 9,559
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Re: Anchoring advice
IMO, having tested them and having anchored with both all-chain and practical all-rope, a kellet is only useful with all-rope rodes, and only in specific situations.
With all chain, you will get the same effect by letting out another 15-20 feet of chain, which is MUCH easier. Conversely, it will only allow you to shorten scope about 15-20 feet.
With rope it does help with specific things:
- Swing like boats using chain.
- Keep rope away from keel.
- Reduce yawing (light winds only).
I would not bother with a chain rode. Waste of time. With rope I occasionally use one, and it is actually about 15 feet of chain tied up in loops with a soft shackle; much easier to use than a heavy weight (can feed right over the roller).
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23-05-2021, 00:01
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Moderator
Join Date: May 2008
Location: cruising SW Pacific
Boat: Jon Sayer 1-off 46 ft fract rig sloop strip plank in W Red Cedar
Posts: 21,134
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Re: Anchoring advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Henson
A plow anchor holds better then anything else here although danforth is a close second.
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So, how do you know this? Goes against test results pretty universally...
Jim
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23-05-2021, 00:17
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Sydney Australia
Boat: Fisher pilothouse sloop 32'
Posts: 3,413
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Re: Anchoring advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Henson
A plow anchor holds better then anything else here although danforth is a close second.
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Hi, I would most humbly suggest that you review the anchor test results of Steve Goodwin, S/V Panope, and perhaps reconsider that statement.
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23-05-2021, 03:51
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Houston
Boat: '76 Allied Seawind II, 32'
Posts: 9,626
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Re: Anchoring advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Henson
A plow anchor holds better then anything else here although danforth is a close second.
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What are you calling a plow? Cqr? Delta?
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23-05-2021, 04:28
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Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Solent, England
Boat: Moody 31
Posts: 18,398
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Re: Anchoring advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Bob
Hi, I would most humbly suggest that you review the anchor test results of Steve Goodwin, S/V Panope, and perhaps reconsider that statement.
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Saw this recently in the club skip. I didn't have the slightest desire to fish it out and away it went to be re-cycled into something else.
Pete
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23-05-2021, 11:28
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: St. Petersburg, Florids
Boat: 1973 Grampian 30
Posts: 41
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Re: Anchoring advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Cate
So, how do you know this? Goes against test results pretty universally...
Jim
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That is my experience in the conditions one finds in West Florida. I’ve anchored here probably 500 times and this Is just my observation
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23-05-2021, 11:29
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: St. Petersburg, Florids
Boat: 1973 Grampian 30
Posts: 41
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Re: Anchoring advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sailmonkey
What are you calling a plow? Cqr? Delta?
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Delta.
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23-05-2021, 11:56
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: St. Petersburg, Florids
Boat: 1973 Grampian 30
Posts: 41
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Re: Anchoring advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Bob
Hi, I would most humbly suggest that you review the anchor test results of Steve Goodwin, S/V Panope, and perhaps reconsider that statement.
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My statement is based on personal experience in the waters of West Florida: AKA “here”.
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23-05-2021, 14:33
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always in motion is the future
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: in paradise
Boat: Sundeer 64
Posts: 18,757
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Re: Anchoring advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Henson
My statement is based on personal experience in the waters of West Florida: AKA “here”.
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So you found a Delta works better for you than a Spade or Mantus? You traded those for a Delta?
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24-05-2021, 05:20
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: St. Petersburg, Florids
Boat: 1973 Grampian 30
Posts: 41
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Re: Anchoring advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Roger
As others have said, a kellet was traditionally a heavy weight which was run down a rode on a special pully, to help keep the main anchor rode on the bottom. However, they had no actual bottom-holding power of their own.
PO should take a look at an article on my website, which uses a second anchor as a form of kellet, but with much greater advantages. A drag proof method of anchoring
JR.
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I understand what a Kellet is and how it works. I simply asked if anyone had used one and what luck they had. I’ll have a look at your website
Thank you
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24-05-2021, 10:16
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Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Alboran Sea / Spain
Posts: 941
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Re: Anchoring advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by boatman61
I reckon a Bruce is the best anchor out there [...]
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The problem with using Bruces as anchors is that they start to rot and disintegrate after some time. And Fishes love to nibble on them too. So you need a constant supply of Bruces, which is a bit hard these days. I would advise to go for Kevins, Bills or Mikes instead, they're easier to find and drag into a dark alley.
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24-05-2021, 10:39
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Solent, England
Boat: Moody 31
Posts: 18,398
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Re: Anchoring advice
Well I guess that is one way of getting a crew. Didn't Her Maj's Navy used to do something similar
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24-05-2021, 10:39
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Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: British Columbia
Boat: Sceptre 41
Posts: 1,922
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Re: Anchoring advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joh.Ghurt
The problem with using Bruces as anchors is that they start to rot and disintegrate after some time. And Fishes love to nibble on them too. So you need a constant supply of Bruces, which is a bit hard these days. I would advise to go for Kevins, Bills or Mikes instead, they're easier to find and drag into a dark alley.
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Mike might disagree!
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24-05-2021, 10:43
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Senior Cruiser
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PORTUGAL
Posts: 30,561
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Re: Anchoring advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joh.Ghurt
The problem with using Bruces as anchors is that they start to rot and disintegrate after some time. And Fishes love to nibble on them too. So you need a constant supply of Bruces, which is a bit hard these days. I would advise to go for Kevins, Bills or Mikes instead, they're easier to find and drag into a dark alley.
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I find the biggest problems are the Sheila's..
Genuine Bruce's don't do drag..
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