Guns on a Boat, Yes or No?

[DoubleWhisky]

Originally Posted by Kenomac

We need to start our own gun owners social group, or rather cruising with guns. sort of like the "Nude sailing" Social group, where one needs to be invited and required to behave.

Hi Ken
I think it is a great idea. This way it will be possible to have a civilized discussion. Will You give a try to establish such a group?

Cheers,

Tomasz

[avb3]

Originally Posted by a64pilot

statistically anti lock brakes have had no effect on the number of accidents, one theory that I do not ascribe to is that drivers know they have anti lock brakes and drive faster, don't start stopping as early etc.

It sort of the placebo effect in reverse. I am sure that some idiots will go places when they are carrying that they won't if they aren't. I'm one of those idiots, I wouldn't venture into the Alaskan outback with a bell and bear spray.

Anyway it's possible that possession of safety devices will have you take more risks than you would if you didn't have them etc.

I digress, but do you know how you tell the difference between a black and brown bears scat?

Which one? Ursus arctos horribilis, , Ursus arctos middendorffi, or Ursus arctos gyas?

Yes, I know the punch line

[DoubleWhisky]

Originally Posted by Ex-Calif

Sticking to pistols...

So why do they call it a .45 automatic?

I get there is misused terminology but I have seen that stamped on the side of the gun?

Because it sounds cool
There were very few full auto pistols ever built, Mauser C 96 Schnellfeuer being the most famous of them.

Mauser C96 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[avb3]

Originally Posted by Ex-Calif

The problem with statistics is terminology and definitions.

Safety? Safest? To what definition. I don't have the stats but perhaps the data counfounded "frequency" of accident with "survivability" or "injury severity"

We can infer that Camaro drivers fit a "profile" that might increase frequency. We also have heard that Volvo's have high "survivability."

I don't dispute that the above is probably true but when comparing safety stats (or any stats) the definitions are important.

I also like the statement, "...safest car of its size."

The Smart car may be the safest car of "its" size but I sure as hell won't drive one on a freeway or autobahn...

Semi Trailer 100, Smart Car 0 - F (still) = MA

You might be surprised at what the Smartcar does in crash tests. I was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iKGfo1wmOM

[Kenomac]

Originally Posted by DoubleWhisky

Hi Ken
I think it is a great idea. This way it will be possible to have a civilized discussion. Will You give a try to establish such a group?

Cheers,

Tomasz

Hey, when did you become a moderator? First Weavis, now you. Am I now the only one who's not a moderator?

Help me with some ideas. Moderated? Invite only? Public? I just want to keep things on target and the anti gun zealots civilized.

Ken

[DoubleWhisky]

Originally Posted by Kenomac

Hey, when did you become a moderator? First Weavis, now you. Am I now the only one who's not a moderator?

Help me with some ideas. Moderated? Invite only? Public? I just want to keep things on target and the anti gun zealots civilized.

Ken

I think such a group should be possible to enter by application/acceptance.
If I remember correctly, this was the way I joined "naked sailing" group a lot time ago.
I also think it is possible to create a "comittee of founders" or something like this for the new group members admittance. You probably are aware of some members really and seriously interested in well informed discussion - why not to contact them and know their views?

I'm really to "green" on black side to offer full advice

Cheers,

Tomasz

[ontherocks83]

Originally Posted by Ex-Calif

Sticking to pistols...

So why do they call it a .45 automatic?

I get there is misused terminology I have seen that stamped on the side of the gun :

It comes from the original name of Automatic Colt Pistol. Colt had a semi auto and developed a round for their gun. It is actually originally ACP that should be stamped on it but other manufacturers dont want to advertise for colt so they changed the name to Auto even though it is the same round. Now dont get flustered automatic in ACP meant automatic loading not machine gun. Same as .357 Sig. Sig Sauer invented the round so they get their name on it but other manufacturers make guns that shoot a 357 sig.

[ontherocks83]

moo

Originally Posted by a64pilot

I digress, but do you know how you tell the difference between a black and brown bears scat?

Man I lived in the back country. Black bear scat has twigs and berry's in it. Brown bear scat has bells in it and smells like pepper.

[BobFord]

When the family and I did a RTW, we decided to be armed. It seemed a good idea to be able to fight back as a last resort ! Small concealable was the go.

Problems, most Westernised countries would simply impound until departure. However ,many 3rd world would use it as an excuse for 'baksheesh '. To not declare also worked well in 3rd world.

I didn't want to surrender it when getting back to Aussie,it was part of the ship's equipment. Unfortunately. the Magistrate didn't agree with me !!

If I was US based , I would want a ,'last resort ' on board again.

[atoll]

Originally Posted by NoTies

It is now enforced, but feel free to keep posting mis-information, the more people that bring illegal guns here and wind up in jail the better IMO.

Vanuatu regulations fyi
Yacht Clearance
3.ARMS AND AMMUNITION

On arrival all arms and ammunition must be declared and surrendered to the Customs Officer for safe keeping. (Also refer to section 4 on prohibitions).

If Customs are satisfied that firearms and ammunition can be safely secured under seal on board the importing vessel this may be allowed. In cases where no suitably secure sealing arrangements exist, the goods will be detained by Customs throughout the vessel stay in Vanuatu. At least 48 hours notice of intended departure from the finale port of clearance must be given in such cases.



4.PROHIBITED GOODS

The laws of Vanuatu prohibit the importation of narcotics, obscene publications and materials (books, magazines, DVDs, computer stored images and videos, and video cassettes), and certain firearms such as automatic weapons. These have severe penalties for any breach of these prohibitions.

[sailpower]

Originally Posted by BobFord

If I was US based , I would want a ,'last resort ' on board again.

US state laws vary widely on what is legal so you would still have to know what you could carry where, most particularly with hand guns.

On the east coast, north of VA are mostly all blue states with the resulting regulation that goes along with that.

[NoTies]

Originally Posted by atoll

Vanuatu regulations fyi
Yacht Clearance
3.ARMS AND AMMUNITION

On arrival all arms and ammunition must be declared and surrendered to the Customs Officer for safe keeping. (Also refer to section 4 on prohibitions).

If Customs are satisfied that firearms and ammunition can be safely secured under seal on board the importing vessel this may be allowed. In cases where no suitably secure sealing arrangements exist, the goods will be detained by Customs throughout the vessel stay in Vanuatu. At least 48 hours notice of intended departure from the finale port of clearance must be given in such cases.



4.PROHIBITED GOODS

The laws of Vanuatu prohibit the importation of narcotics, obscene publications and materials (books, magazines, DVDs, computer stored images and videos, and video cassettes), and certain firearms such as automatic weapons. These have severe penalties for any breach of these prohibitions.

So, by your definition of out laws then it is OK to bring narcotics and pornography into Vanuatu along with your automatic weapons because you're just passing through. Best of luck with that sunshine, it hasn't worked out too well for other people with your arrogant disdain for our laws. Haven't had any weapon related arrests this year or drugs that I am aware of but have certainly had pornograhy related arrests.

[Rustic Charm]

Originally Posted by NoTies

So, by your definition of out laws then it is OK to bring narcotics and pornography into Vanuatu along with your automatic weapons because you're just passing through. Best of luck with that sunshine, it hasn't worked out too well for other people with your arrogant disdain for our laws. Haven't had any weapon related arrests this year or drugs that I am aware of but have certainly had pornograhy related arrests.

You have completely lost me. Where does he claim you can bring in 'narcotics, porn, automatic weapons because your passing through'?

[atoll]

Originally Posted by NoTies

So, by your definition of out laws then it is OK to bring narcotics and pornography into Vanuatu along with your automatic weapons because you're just passing through. Best of luck with that sunshine, it hasn't worked out too well for other people with your arrogant disdain for our laws. Haven't had any weapon related arrests this year or drugs that I am aware of but have certainly had pornograhy related arrests.

as far as I am aware vanuatus laws are in line with australias regarding declaring weapons.

[NoTies]

Originally Posted by atoll

as far as I am aware vanuatus laws are in line with australias regarding declaring weapons.

Yet you quote para 4 which states that drugs, porn and some weapons such as automatics are prohibited. Are you saying it's Ok to have 700kg of coke on your boat and 5000 movies of children being molested alongside your machinegun? Because the section you quote puts them all under the same umbrella.