Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Exile

Just your "average schmuck."

Tut tut sir. Average schmucks don't have 47 ft Bristols, or a big boat.

[StuM]

Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY

Very wise observations Garbone.
A question to ask is:
Why would the Scientists not want their Data released?

Judicial Watch Sues for Documents Withheld From Congress in New Climate Data Scandal

Phil Jones, CRU "climate scientist": "We have 25 or so years invested in the work. Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it."

To any real scientist, that is exactly why you do release your data. It's called "the scientific method". If the findings can't be duplicated, it's not science, it's political advocacy.

[SailOar]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

...So, yeah, bring on the entrepreneurs. I'm a very small scale one myself. But realize that the big changes, the big projects, require government oversight and funding. It won't be entrepreneurs, it will be the citizens asking its elected government to go in this direction that will cause those things to happen.

For as long as everyone pretends that the science is bogus and everything's ok, all public work towards fixing our environmental problems will be considered suspect, just another part of your greenie soshulist conspiracy (or MMGWC), and government won't get any sort of mandate to tackle the the problems that the magic fairy entrepreneurs won't touch.

Bill Gates believes that solving the energy problem will require both Government and Big Business. He is putting his money where his mouth is, to the tune of $2 Billion.

‘We Need an Energy Miracle’ | interview with Bill Gates | The Atlantic

Bill Gates on climate change: ‘We need to move faster than the energy sector ever has’ | Washington Post

[SailOar]

Originally Posted by StuM

Phil Jones, CRU "climate scientist": "We have 25 or so years invested in the work. Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it."

To any real scientist, that is exactly why you do release your data. It's called "the scientific method". If the findings can't be duplicated, it's not science, it's political advocacy.

This is an out-of-context snippet from a rather long and complex interaction. Here is a post giving a more complete, but probably still biased, picture of what happened (from 2009):

McIntyre versus Jones: climate data row escalates | a blog from Nature Climate Change

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by SailOar

Bill Gates believes that solving the energy problem will require both Government and Big Business. He is putting his money where his mouth is, to the tune of $2 Billion.

‘We Need an Energy Miracle’ | interview with Bill Gates | The Atlantic

Bill Gates on climate change: ‘We need to move faster than the energy sector ever has’ | Washington Post

Good to hear. Of course calling Bill Gates an entrepreneur is like calling the Grand Canyon a ditch.

Still... could be a gamechanger. Nice to see someone step up.

He seems to think it's necessary to act soon to reduce possible climate change, including the use of carbon taxation. Will folks go Al Gore on him now? What's his angle? He's part of the MMGWC?

[newhaul]

Just one little question for everyone that thinks a carbon tax on big businesses like big oil and coal consortiums won't be passed down to the little guy ( us tax payers) ? Who will pay the tax?

[Exile]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Just one little question for everyone that thinks a carbon tax on big businesses like big oil and coal consortiums won't be passed down to the little guy ( us tax payers) ? Who will pay the tax?

You got it. Same people paying for the Un-Affordable Care Act. Don't think these sorts of add'l expenses are personal problems for Bill Gates.

[SV THIRD DAY]

Originally Posted by StuM

Phil Jones, CRU "climate scientist": "We have 25 or so years invested in the work. Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it."

To any real scientist, that is exactly why you do release your data. It's called "the scientific method". If the findings can't be duplicated, it's not science, it's political advocacy.

Ah....
But you see, the MMGW Cultists are not real scientists...they wrap themselves in Science as cover for true agenda.

For the next class we will review their true agenda....

[newhaul]

Actually we are paying for that gates donation to. It is tax deductable. funny just after he knows how much of a deduction he needs to keep from paying any tax for the year.

[SV THIRD DAY]

Clinton Foundation....
Gates Foundation....

But money looks after big money.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY

Clinton Foundation....
Gates Foundation....

But money looks after big money.

Two rich guys like you slagging a richer guy.

Unworthy of you. Dig in. What's the reason?

[SV THIRD DAY]

Lets make this easy....

Climate Change Predictions

Those in the MMGW Cult, like the Population Bomb Fools, assume a static technology advancing into the future.

Why do the MMGW Cultists discount this little thing called Evolution of technology?

Why is the earth flat in their eyes, burning coal in their fire places to heat their homes and pot pies?

Us Apostates know what the MMGW Cultists can't admit...in the Genius of Man and the Free Market.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY

Ah....
But you see, the MMGW Cultists are not real scientists...

... that's axiomatic, innit? cultists aren't scientists.

Scientists are scientists. Or are you saying that climate scientists aren't scientists?

For the next class we will review their true agenda....

Big tease. You never do deliver.

[Exile]

Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY

Ah....
But you see, the MMGW Cultists are not real scientists...they wrap themselves in Science as cover for true agenda.

For the next class we will review their true agenda....

I could hazard a guess, but I think I'll let the suspense build up a bit. Besides, it's more fun coming from you.

EDIT: You're too quick.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY

Us Apostates know what the MMGW Cultists can't admit...in the Genius of Man and the Free Market.

...paging Ayn Rand.

Mr Gates on this very topic:

On why the free market won’t develop new forms of energy fast enough:


Well, there’s no fortune to be made. Even if you have a new energy source that costs the same as today’s and emits no CO2, it will be uncertain compared with what’s tried-and-true and already operating at unbelievable scale and has gotten through all the regulatory problems, like “Okay, what do you do with coal ash?” and “How do you guarantee something is safe?” Without a substantial carbon tax, there’s no incentive for innovators or plant buyers to switch.

And for energy as a whole, the incentive to invest is quite limited, because unlike digital products—where you get very rapid adoption and so, within the period that your trade secret stays secret or your patent gives you a 20-year exclusive, you can reap incredible returns—almost everything that’s been invented in energy was invented more than 20 years before it got scaled usage. So if you go back to various energy innovators, actually, they didn’t do that well financially. The rewards to society of these energy advances—not much of that is captured by the individual innovator, because it’s a very conservative market. So the R&D amount in energy is surprisingly low compared with medicine or digital stuff, where both the government spending and the private-sector spending is huge.