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Old 20-03-2019, 04:52   #181
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Sharks Left to Die Slowly in Great Barrier Reef Cull
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Humane Society International (HSI) and the Australian Marine Conservation Society (AMCS) have release graphic images of sharks left to die as part of Queensland's Shark Control Program in the Great Barrier Reef.....

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"Culling sharks is cruel and illogical, and we are frustrated that it is still happening in the Great Barrier Reef. These images show the intense suffering inflicted on marine animals by this outdated practice. Not only does the Queensland Government insist on slaughtering sharks, but it has recently passed legislation making it illegal to document the horror. The public has a right to see true cost of its Shark Control Program,” said Nicola Beynon, Head of Campaigns at HSI.

The Queensland Government's Fisheries Amendment Bill 2018 outlaws being within 20 meters of shark control equipment on the grounds of "public safety” with fines of up to $26,110. This legislation will come into effect in a matter of weeks.....
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And do you know why drum lines have been set? Three shark attacks in the space of a few months in one previously unbaited area (Cid Harbour). One fatal, two "life changing", including a 12 year old girl.

It's fine and dandy being green, but sometimes common sense flies out the window.
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And do you know why drum lines have been set? Three shark attacks in the space of a few months in one previously unbaited area (Cid Harbour). One fatal, two "life changing", including a 12 year old girl.

It's fine and dandy being green, but sometimes common sense flies out the window.
Damn right..!!!
Just coz humans have eaten/driven away all their food does not give em the right to nibble on us when they get the munchies..
Bludi cheek of it..!!!
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Damn right..!!!
Just coz humans have eaten/driven away all their food does not give em the right to nibble on us when they get the munchies..
Bludi cheek of it..!!!
No shortage of fish in and around Cid Harbour. Those sharks just wanted to try the other white meat.
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“There was an open letter to the Queensland Premier from a local arguing against lethal mitigation, like drum lines, when educational signs and communication from tourism operators would be far more appropriate. The locals already knew not to swim there.”
In the open letter, local woman Kellie Leonard asked Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk to visit Cid Harbour to get a better understanding of the area.
“Commercial live-aboard vessels and day tour operators never visit Cid Harbour because it is well known as being not a good swimming area and is no good for snorkelling or diving,” Ms Leonard reportedly wrote.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/nati...-about-sharks/

Queensland tourism operators voice concerns after third Cid Harbour shark attack ➥ https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-...tacks/10470960
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And yet somehow, magically, the current generation has managed to avoid becoming indoctrinated by their schooling and their media?

Yeh, right!
No, wrong! Well, at least in part. And nothing magic about it. More of the "current" generations (i.e. at least older than millennials) seem to have had schooling that taught them how to avoid becoming indoctrinated by modern-day media. That way they have a better chance of recognizing when they're being manipulated by media simply trying to increase their readership by appealing to emotionally-driven hyper-partisanship at the expense of truth. You know, like a picture of a huge coal depot and the repeated use of the word "sludge" prefacing an article about the pros & cons of dumping natural sediment in an area that comprises 0.1% of a marine park.

Indoctrination is the opposite of critical thinking, which is itself different from mere political leanings. In free societies anyway, indoctrination is the product of faulty education and/or lazy minds, where it's simply easier to vilify people with opposing points of view as opposed to trying to effectively challenge the views themselves by first understanding where they're coming from. Indoctrination relies on the human specie's age-old and innate attraction towards tribalism, and why authoritarian societies of whatever stripe always need an "enemy" to maintain control over the people. It only breeds intolerance, divisiveness, mistruths & ignorance, and only benefits those who wish to gain or maintain power.

This is why I honestly have no problem with peoples' political leanings (other than being annoying at times ); only their intolerance for other peoples' particular views. The latter is dangerous to the continued health of democratic governance.
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“There was an open letter to the Queensland Premier from a local arguing against lethal mitigation, like drum lines, when educational signs and communication from tourism operators would be far more appropriate. The locals already knew not to swim there.”
In the open letter, local woman Kellie Leonard asked Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk to visit Cid Harbour to get a better understanding of the area.
“Commercial live-aboard vessels and day tour operators never visit Cid Harbour because it is well known as being not a good swimming area and is no good for snorkelling or diving,” Ms Leonard reportedly wrote.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/nati...-about-sharks/

Queensland tourism operators voice concerns after third Cid Harbour shark attack ➥ https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-...tacks/10470960
I don't know how realistic it is, but it seems like raising awareness and thereby deterring swimming in such areas could be more effective and more humane. Aren't sharks already a threatened species on account of certain Asian countries' demand for their fins?
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... raising awareness and thereby deterring swimming in such areas could be more effective ...
Indeed.
Shark management: Can anything be done to keep people safe in the water?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-...water/10469666
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Indeed.
Shark management: Can anything be done to keep people safe in the water?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-...water/10469666
Now there's an introductory photograph to an apparently informative article that is likely both accurate & effective!

I obviously don't know all the factors in play, but would like to believe this is the answer:

"Queensland's Fisheries Minister Mark Furner said no-one should swim in Cid Harbour at anytime."

Too simple?
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Indeed.
Shark management: Can anything be done to keep people safe in the water?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-...water/10469666
Shark nets..
Else its just another case of ethnic cleansing..
We go where they've existed for millennia but object to them attacking us..
Kill em all.
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....That way they have a better chance of recognizing when they're being manipulated by media simply trying to increase their readership by appealing to emotionally-driven hyper-partisanship at the expense of truth. You know, like a picture of a huge coal depot and the repeated use of the word "sludge" prefacing an article about the pros & cons of dumping natural sediment in an area that comprises 0.1% of a marine park.....
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noun \ ˈsləj\

Definition of sludge

1 : mud, mire especially : a muddy deposit (as on a riverbed) : ooze

2 : a muddy or slushy mass, deposit, or sediment: such as
a : precipitated solid matter produced by water and sewage treatment processes
b : muddy sediment in a steam boiler
c : a precipitate or settling (such as a mixture of impurities and acid) from a mineral oil
We both should thank Lake-Effect for reminding us what the definition of sludge is. Since the first definition is --
1 : mud, mire especially : a muddy deposit (as on a riverbed) : ooze
-- I think we should give both The Guardian and Senator Waters the benefit of the doubt and assume they used the word correctly.
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"Queensland's Fisheries Minister Mark Furner said no-one should swim in Cid Harbour at anytime."

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Saw the new trailer for Blue Planet II Live last night, broadcasting live from ‘the reef’. The footage looks absolutely breathtaking as you’d expect. It still blows my mind what an impact the last instalment had on ocean plastics awareness. Great work

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p073083k
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So much more still to do though
From a couple of days ago......

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Images show marine biologist removing 88lb worth of plastic bags from stomach of whale that died in Philippines of ‘gastric shock’
And if you want to know what a dead whale full of plastic looks like

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...-on-dead-whale
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“There was an open letter to the Queensland Premier from a local arguing against lethal mitigation, like drum lines, when educational signs and communication from tourism operators would be far more appropriate. The locals already knew not to swim there.”
In the open letter, local woman Kellie Leonard asked Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk to visit Cid Harbour to get a better understanding of the area.
“Commercial live-aboard vessels and day tour operators never visit Cid Harbour because it is well known as being not a good swimming area and is no good for snorkelling or diving,” Ms Leonard reportedly wrote.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/nati...-about-sharks/

Queensland tourism operators voice concerns after third Cid Harbour shark attack ➥ https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-...tacks/10470960

Tourism operators don't use the place because it's an overnight anchorage. I've counted over 70 boats at once during peak times (and that's a lot for these parts). Unfortunately, people on holiday tend to read the brochures and not the warnings. Think paddleboarders, people throwing their mates overboard or just jumping off the front of the boat to swim to the rear and dinghys roaring around well into the night.


The other issue, is the place is a literal stone throw from a number of other anchorages and snorkeling locations.



And the nature of the attacks seemed, to me, to indicate a rogue or sick animal. Unfortunately the only way to feasibly remove the risk is to use a scatter gun approach.
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