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Old 15-09-2018, 05:29   #31
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Differentiation is length above 10m 30ft, cabins and a deck and fixed keel - otherwise its a yawl. Below 7m (21ft) it is a boat.

So a sloop rigged catamaran with daggerboards is a yawl?


That's news to me and a lot of other people
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Old 15-09-2018, 05:50   #32
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I find it interesting that with all the different types of sailing vessels there are, sloops, cutters, yawls, schooners, trimarans etc. only the catamarans call themselves out as different.
I’ve noticed this many times and wondered why.
I don't know about the others, but I use the term "sailing catamaran". It's mostly helpful when dealing with bridge tenders. It instantly distinguishes us from most of the other sailboats. Unless, of course, there are many other cats around.........
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Re: SV vs SY

My current boat now is a S/Y as this is a boat built for cruising - as a pleasure craft. On the AIS I would identify a yacht as a pleasure boat, state sailing.

My previous boat was a S/V as she was built for commercial operations, a pilot boat.

In my world S/Y vs S/V is clearly a distinction between private and commercial use.
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My current boat now is a S/Y as this is a boat built for cruising - as a pleasure craft. On the AIS I would identify a yacht as a pleasure boat, state sailing.

Assume that it's Class B AIS, as is more common for cruisers. No Navigational Status transmission, so then?
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IMHO, SV implies a dignity of sailing knowledge and skill; SY is a back-handed class warfare insult. Do motor yachts self identify as motor yachts, MY?
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Assume that it's Class B AIS, as is more common for cruisers. No Navigational Status transmission, so then?
Sorry, only used to class A. Then maybe better sailing vessel.
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I don't know about the others, but I use the term "sailing catamaran". It's mostly helpful when dealing with bridge tenders. It instantly distinguishes us from most of the other sailboats. Unless, of course, there are many other cats around.........
Agreed. What possible use would it be to a bridge tender whether your vessel is for business or pleasure? Should they treat you differently, one way or the other?
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Agreed. What possible use would it be to a bridge tender whether your vessel is for business or pleasure? Should they treat you differently, one way or the other?
Big difference. Some bridges open for commercial traffic on demand. Pleasure boats have to wait for a scheduled opening. I once had a bridge tender deny me permission to pass with a commercial boat. Had to wait half an hour for the scheduled opening.
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Under COLREGS a sailing vessel does not have an engine running. So if you're making passing agreements over the radio calling yourself SV xxx would be improper. I just use "sailboat xxx" in those cases. Unpretentious and a correct description.
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Under COLREGS a sailing vessel does not have an engine running. So if you're making passing agreements over the radio calling yourself SV xxx would be improper. I just use "sailboat xxx" in those cases. Unpretentious and a correct description.

Nope, under COLREGs a sailing vessel is not being propelled by machinery. It can have its engine running in neutral as standby or for battery charging etc and it's status doesn't change.


And whether you are a sailing vessel or not makes no difference in a passing situation under COLREGs.



"Sailboat" doesn't tell the other vessel your navigational status.


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I would use SY instead of SV, Y looks leaner than the V and represents better the cross-section of the hull, (for fat boats you can even use SU. ;-)

SY is broader understood in the rest of the world, (what seems to be the bigger part) not only on the US globe..
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I would use SY instead of SV, Y looks leaner than the V and represents better the cross-section of the hull, (for fat boats you can even use SU. ;-)
For catamarans it should be SW...
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IMHO, SV implies a dignity of sailing knowledge and skill; SY is a back-handed class warfare insult. Do motor yachts self identify as motor yachts, MY?
Yep. Andrey Melnichenko's boats are call Sailing Yacht A, and Motor Yacht A
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For catamarans it should be SW...
Yes, and trimarans SVW
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The U.S. Coast Guard's statement, (short n sweat) on the term "VESSEL":
https://www.uscgboating.org/regulati...rminations.php
The USCG main site on the web: www.uscg.mil
(There's a box to enter a term you'd like searched in the top right section of that page.)

Merriam-Webster defines Yacht - the noun, (it's a verb too) thusly -
a racing sailboat or a large usually motor-driven craft for pleasure cruising.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/yacht
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