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Old 12-09-2018, 07:52   #16
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Re: SV vs SY

Depends on the clothes I'm wearing. Paint splattered tshirt and shorts while I'm doing projects it's S/v... Bust out my blazer and captains hat and it's S/y


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“Captain” is used a lot in Newfoundland. Really bothered me because I was such a newbie. So I went and got a “Six Pack” license. Now I feel better, still a relative newbie though.
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I think there is a simple criterion. If you own a pleasure craft and do the maintenance yourself, it's a boat. If somebody else does the maintenance, then it's a yacht.


Mine used to be a SV, but now I have an ice maker aboard, so it’s a SY.
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Actually, in the old days SV Boatname used to refer to Survey Vessel Boatname and me in my little boat with mast and sails was simply called a yacht. Then came along the US millionaires and billionaires with there luxury stink-pots and gin-palaces, who said "you wanna see a real yacht, look at mine". Now they call there luxury sea-going vessels "super yachts" and simply ignore us plebs sailing our yachts and enjoying life on the water in our little yachts! They should simply be called a motor vessel, as that is what they really are. In most parts of the world a sailing vessel is still officially and simply called a "yacht".

I still remember an American voice calling port control in a foreign port asking permission to enter port, as "Sailing Vessel Boatname" and port control asking for length, forward and aft draft, number of masts and number of crew and who their agent was. They came back on the radio saying they were only 42 foot with two POB and 6 foot draft and no agent. They were then told that they were not a "sailing vessel", but simply a recreational "yacht" and could proceed to the local marina. If they wanted to be a "sailing vessel" they needed an agent, a pilot and a tug or two to ensure safe docking.

So, different strokes for different folks - depends where you are in the world.
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Great post, JohnT!
Both informative and entertaining.
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Mine used to be a SV, but now I have an ice maker aboard, so it’s a SY.
An ice cube tray in the freezer does not make a yacht. :-)
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I think there is a simple criterion. If you own a pleasure craft and do the maintenance yourself, it's a boat. If somebody else does the maintenance, then it's a yacht.


Great Humor :-)
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yacht jɒt/ noun

1.a medium-sized sailing boat equipped for cruising or racing

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mid 16th century: from early modern Dutch*jaghte, from*jaghtschip*‘fast pirate ship’, from*jag(h)t‘hunting’ +*schip*‘ship’.

Differentiation is length above 10m 30ft, cabins and a deck and fixed keel - otherwise its a yawl. Below 7m (21ft) it is a boat.
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I don't use S/V or S/Y I use the term Sailing Catamaran. However the reason the term "vessel" is used is primarily because of these guys:

https://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/techn...eguardian.html


It seems rather ridiculous to refer to them as "research yachts"...........
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I grew up in Europe. I visited a lot of the European countries (Germany, Poland, Scandinavia, Greece, Italy etc. ) with a sea access. The S/Y abbreviation have been always used there. First time this idiotic SV term I heard in America. - Change it to Water Vehicle. - Buhahahahaa !!! - Language neoplasm.
“Idiotic” seems a strong term to describe trivial cultural differences that one might find when finally getting away from one’s little corner of the world, exploring other places just a bit, no?
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Re: SV vs SY

So should AIS on a pleasure sailboat be set to Type 36 - Sailing Vessel or Type 37 - Pleasure Craft?
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So should AIS on a pleasure sailboat be set to Type 36 - Sailing Vessel or Type 37 - Pleasure Craft?
Well, it depends.

If you just sail, its a type 36,
if you feel pleasure while sailing, its a type 37.

unfortunately there is no yacht. Assume, yachts have no AIS?
Its the hiding hunter class of vessel.. ;-)
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Well, it depends.

If you just sail, its a type 36,
if you feel pleasure while sailing, its a type 37.

unfortunately there is no yacht. Assume, yachts have no AIS?
Its the hiding hunter class of vessel.. ;-)

Which is the more important information for another vessel seeing you on their AIS?
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Re: SV vs SY

I find it interesting that with all the different types of sailing vessels there are, sloops, cutters, yawls, schooners, trimarans etc. only the catamarans call themselves out as different.
I’ve noticed this many times and wondered why.
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yacht jɒt/ noun

1.a medium-sized sailing boat equipped for cruising or racing

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mid 16th century: from early modern Dutch*jaghte, from*jaghtschip*‘fast pirate ship’, from*jag(h)t‘hunting’ +*schip*‘ship’.

Differentiation is length above 10m 30ft, cabins and a deck and fixed keel - otherwise its a yawl. Below 7m (21ft) it is a boat.
Where is this definition of yawl to be found?
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