Ocean acidifcation .

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

No, YOU really missed the point of that one.


It's already been observed that small increases in CO2 are having an effect on some fish. Her study is to find out how and why.

Notice how it's £100,000 over two years, total, which is going to have to cover her, any research assistants, lab time and equipment, writing and publishing time... I don't know about you but I am not that excited by the prospect of making well under £50,000 a year. Maybe she teaches to get that up a bit.

I'm sure that grant isn't the only one she has to do her various studies on the possible effects of lots of ridiculous Crap.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by newhaul

I'm sure that grant isn't the only one she has to do her various studies on the possible effects of lots of ridiculous Crap.

I'll let you answer yourself:

facts trump feelings

Please provide evidentiary proof of your assertions.

At least I know how to do it with my own words

... that is debatable.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Just thought I would share this from lord Christopher Monckton.
https://youtu.be/dj43O98HL5c.

A is for Authority

Authority

Authority lets us know that someone with expertise or experience in the topic is sharing their knowledge. Remember, though, that authority is contextual. Having a Ph.D. in Astronomy would not give someone authority to write about the impact of music therapy on children who have autism. The expertise or experience needs to be relevant to the topic.
What credentials related to the topic at hand does the author have?

- Does the author have any relevant affiliations with a respected university or organization?

- What can you find about the author online?

- Has the author published on this subject before?

- Is the publication reputable?

Monckton has a degree in classics.

Barry Bickmore, "A Republican Scientist Advocates Sane Energy Policies", maintains a couple of websites on Monckton.

https://bbickmore.wordpress.com/lord...ons-rap-sheet/

https://bbickmore.wordpress.com/the-church-of-monckton/

I have debated Monckton a couple of times on Disqus. He gets thoroughly unpleasant when challenged.

When I have some time to waste, I might watch that video.

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by SailOar

No. I'm a lot like you: clueless, lazy and incompetent

You gave yourself up with "the research scientists I know..." comment a few posts back.

[newhaul]

Guy

Originally Posted by jackdale

A is for Authority



Monckton has a degree in classics.

Barry Bickmore, "A Republican Scientist Advocates Sane Energy Policies", maintains a couple of websites on Monckton.

https://bbickmore.wordpress.com/lord...ons-rap-sheet/

https://bbickmore.wordpress.com/the-church-of-monckton/

I have debated Monckton a couple of times on Disqus. He gets thoroughly unpleasant when challenged.

When I have some time to waste, I might watch that video.

you are posting on nothing but this thread and as you say you are retired so you have plenty of time to watch this informative video .
watch the video of his presentation .
Then make your arguments against the physics .

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Guy

you are posting on nothing but this thread and as you say you are retired so you have plenty of time to watch this informative video .
watch the video of his presentation .
Then make your arguments against the physics .

At 9 minutes Monckton continues to misrepresent RSS data, claiming a pause. Carl Mears, the vice president of RSS, has written a response to Monckton's claim.

The denialists really like to fit trends starting in 1997, so that the huge 1997-98 ENSO event is at the start of their time series, resulting in a linear fit with the smallest possible slope.

Remote Sensing Systems

Monckton is a classic cherry picker.

Look carefully at the graph and you will notice that the trend (the dark line) ia 0.23C above the 1981-2010 mean. When a trend is warmer than the mean, it is warming.

Given a choice between Monckton and Mears, I will take the guy responsible for the data.

BTW - When discussing this with Monckton, his response was that I must be a Communist.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by jackdale

At 9 minutes Monckton continues to misrepresent RSS data, claiming a pause. Carl Mears, the vice president of RSS, has written a response to Monckton's claim.



Remote Sensing Systems

Monckton is a classic cherry picker.

Look carefully at the graph and you will notice that the trend (the dark line) ia 0.23C above the 1981-2010 mean. When a trend is warmer than the mean, it is warming.

Given a choice between Monckton and Mears, I will take the guy responsible for the data.

BTW - When discussing this with Monckton, his response was that I must be a Communist.

your choice but I do recommend you purchase a lot more cold weather gear for next summer.

Provide proof that you personally debated against him .
Btw if he is so wrong why does his math match the real world data?

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

You gave yourself up with "the research scientists I know..." comment a few posts back.

By purest chance - they're part of our annual sailing get-togethers - we also know two PhD (biology) researchers, from NOAA. Scientists are people too. It's not all wh0r3 up some grants, milk the taxpayer, pick out marble for the new pool.

[AllenRbrts]

Originally Posted by Exile

I can see the appeal of this sort of approach and sometimes it may be warranted. But in general I think it's an all too convenient way for people to insulate themselves from information they don't like and which therefore makes them uncomfortable (myself included). So it generally only serves to exacerbate the polarization. I think a lot of the angst we see on these threads (and out in the public) is less about one side rejecting another side's views, but real shock/surprise that otherwise rational, intelligent people could even have such views. And that's from people being overly insulated in their own cocoons. Breaching divides requires more effort to understand where the other side is coming from before we simply assign labels or ascribe "inferior" motives. Not to necessarily change minds, but to be more effective advocates and hopefully become better at reaching compromise.

It is not beliefs or opinions that is the problem, is complete misrepresention and that is being kind. Go read the original paper which the original subject of this post and then compare to the commentary on the blog.

[newhaul]

How much co2 goes into the ocean annually ?
From what sources ?

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

By purest chance - they're part of our annual sailing get-togethers - we also know two PhD (biology) researchers, from NOAA. Scientists are people too. It's not all wh0r3 up some grants, milk the taxpayer, pick out marble for the new pool.

and what happens when you get a bunch of sailors together ??

They drink to much rum and tell to many lies
And yes it happens everywhere sailors gather .

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by newhaul

and what happens when you get a bunch of sailors together ??

They drink to much rum and tell to many lies
And yes it happens everywhere sailors gather .

arrRRRrrr !


We be doin some more sailin' drinkin' and lyin' with the same group next week.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Btw if he is so wrong why does his math match the real world data?

It does not.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by newhaul

your choice but I do recommend you purchase a lot more cold weather gear for next summer.

Nope.

[Kenomac]

Originally Posted by jackdale

Yep - Makes me wonder why folks dismiss science. Let us have a discussion about gravity. There are two theories for that; neither one of those has been proven.

Why do folks blindly follow a religion, like the global warming cult?