Ocean acidifcation .

[S/V Illusion]

Originally Posted by jackdale

As a climate scientist, I would assume you have read these. Any comments?

https://judithcurry.com/2014/07/07/u...perature-data/

https://judithcurry.com/2015/02/09/b...perature-data/

https://judithcurry.com/2015/02/22/u...ervation-bias/

I'm unfamiliar with these data sets but some of the comments about her work and her resulting judgments are quite telling.

Do you actually want to learn or are you merely pushing your perceptions based on cherry picked internet search results? If it's learning you seek,

I could point you in the right direction.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by S/V Illusion

I'm unfamiliar with these data sets but some of the comments about her work and her resulting judgments are quite telling.

How so? I suggest you read the posts. They were written in response to the assertions of Tony Heller (Steve Goddard).

Originally Posted by S/V Illusion

Do you actually want to learn or are you merely pushing your perceptions based on cherry picked internet search results? If it's learning you seek,

I could point you in the right direction.

Point me.

[Exile]

Originally Posted by Hardhead

I generally go with the scientists. They're intelligent, have advanced research training in their subject matter, and employ the well established peer review process. Whatever the vast majority of credentialed scientists conclude, I go with. It's the most logical course of action.

Certainly rational and can't argue, although in unsettled areas of science that are so contested & politicized, I don't think merely taking a poll is enough. Requires looking deeper into motivations on both sides imo, and making an effort to discount all the pervasive bias.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by Exile

You have anything else which credibly challenges the 100-year dataset or Fitzhenry's conclusions? As you know, merely comparing datasets with start dates that vary by 70 years doesn't prove anything, at least not without some interpretation and analysis. It might all be there, but you haven't demonstrated it yet. For all we know thus far, the two datasets from Ft. Denison may be completely in accord. Simply citing charts & graphs with cryptic or no analysis is merely proof by insinuation, implication, and oftentimes speculation.

I cited two data sets that challenge Fitzhenry's assertions, which you seem to blindly accept.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by Exile

Certainly rational and can't argue, although in unsettled areas of science that are so contested & politicized, I don't think merely taking a poll is enough. [B]Requires looking deeper into motivations on both sides imo, and making an effort to discount all the pervasive bias.[B]

Please do so. Your mind reading skills must be stupendous.

[AllenRbrts]

Originally Posted by S/V Illusion

It's futile worrying about anything over which we have no control. The sun is getting bigger, hotter and closer. No secret here except that fact is usually omitted in every one of these 'the sky is falling' narratives. Unfortunately, there is no grant money is modeling the effect of that inevitability. Meanwhile, the weather is fine and we're sailing.

I'm having trouble reconciling these statements with you more recent post stating your career was a climate scientist. Can you provide some science basis for your claim about the sun getting bigger, nearer and warmer (I'm sure newhaul would dispute those claims [emoji3]).

[Kenomac]

Jack,

It’s been three years since I last asked you it you’ve bothered to invest in some solar panels for your house or boat.... have you?

‘Just curious

[Exile]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

In other news, a morbidly obese guy lost 10 pounds when frozen yogurt went on sale, becoming cheaper than ice-cream.

More like a morbidly obese guy who believed he'd lose 10 lbs. after the propaganda ministry of an authoritarian govt. told him frozen yogurt would be going on sale (sometime within the next 30 years). Pretty sure that a 10-year record of actually reducing emissions beats dramatic increases in emissions over the same time frame, despite "promises" of reductions in 30 years time. Besides, your heroes are telling us that this would be a couple of decades too late for "all of humanity."

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by AllenRbrts

I'm having trouble reconciling these statements with you more recent post stating your career was a climate scientist. Can you provide some science basis for your claim about the sun getting bigger, nearer and warmer (I'm sure newhaul would dispute those claims [emoji3]).

I have already pointed out that the sun is cooler and that Milankovtich cycles would have us cooling. No response.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by S/V Illusion

As to temperature, the folks at the Max Plank Institute, which isn’t beholden to grant money perspectives, have presented objective evidence corroborating the conclusion the expanding sun is substantially the cause of any quantifiable climate change and further, they note no quantifiable evidence exists to validate the claim anthropogenic climate change is real.

Really?

All of humanity must participate in the fight against climate change. People and countries must cooperate with each other if they want to at least limit the consequences of the man-made impact that increases temperature. A difficult task, as demonstrated by the many climate conferences, since ultimately, people have to forego direct profits - for only potential benefits in the distant future.

https://www.mpg.de/12115953/climate-change-quick-action

Studies at the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research reveal: solar activity affects the climate but plays only a minor role in the current global warming

https://www.mpg.de/research/sun-infl...global-climate

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by jackdale

I agree about the data.



There is a warming trend.

we are cooling now again .

5 years ago that was a +.19℃ per decade.

Now it's only +.13 ℃ per .which to me would have to mean there is some cooling going on .

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by Kenomac

Jack,

It’s been three years since I last asked you it you’ve bothered to invest in some solar panels for your house or boat.... have you?

‘Just curious

I do not own a boat.

As a I live in a condominium, solar panels are not feasible. I have upgraded the windows and insulation in the past three years.

I respect your lowering of your carbon footprint.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by newhaul

we are cooling now again .

5 years ago that was a +.19℃ per decade.

Now it's only +.13 ℃ per .which to me would have to mean there is some cooling going on .

You are still clueless about the difference between trend and variation.

https://youtu.be/e0vj-0imOLw

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Kenomac

Jack,

It’s been three years since I last asked you it you’ve bothered to invest in some solar panels for your house or boat.... have you?

‘Just curious

Ken that was LE not jack .
I stopped asking about solar on lakes boat when I realized he had a sandpaper 565. Which is actually to small for much over a 50 watt panel.

[Exile]

Originally Posted by jackdale

There is a warming trend that has been largely undisputed within the science, but scientists differ on the extent of human vs. natural forces.

Sorry, I wasn't sure if you left this part out because of your usual cryptic writing style, or to deliberately mislead. Either way, leaving it out was misleading.

And yes, we already know about Milankovitch cycles and the minority view which believes we'd be cooling these days but for the human role.