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02-11-2010, 11:24
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Naples, FL
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Originally Posted by boatman61
Smallpox make up kit and fake blood capsules....
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Won't work, UNICEF already vaccinated them.
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02-11-2010, 11:30
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Sai Kung, Hong Kong
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If you look on Craigs List you can hire a Somali support vessel. Full of pirates no doubt, but at least they're your pirates. That's what we'll be doing...
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02-11-2010, 11:33
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Moderator Emeritus

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Eastern Tennessee
Boat: Research vessel for a university, retired now.
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That's funny...Call Rent-A-Pirate to defend you while making your transit.
What if you could pay a fee to them in return for leaving you alone?...like a "Pirate fees paid" sticker you put on your window?
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02-11-2010, 11:35
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Senior Cruiser

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PORTUGAL
Posts: 31,271
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WOW... those Somali Guys are getting really 21st century....
Pre-paid Hi-Jack Victims.... 10% deposit required... way to go lads....
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You can't oppress a people for so many decades and have them say.. "I Love You.. ".
"It is better to die standing proud, than to live a lifetime on ones knees.."
Self Defence is no excuse for Genocide...
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02-11-2010, 11:38
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CLOD
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: being planted in Jacksonville Fl
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It's funny we on CF even debate this. Pirates have been a fact since man starting going to sea. I'm pretty sure it is well known how to stop them by now! It's just whether anyone is willing to do it!
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02-11-2010, 11:42
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Senior Cruiser

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PORTUGAL
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Originally Posted by Don Lucas
It's funny we on CF even debate this. Pirates have been a fact since man starting going to sea. I'm pretty sure it is well known how to stop them by now! It's just whether anyone is willing to do it!
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LMAO.... this is a DEBATE......?????
SH#T...... I thought it was an alternative JOKE THREAD.....
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You can't oppress a people for so many decades and have them say.. "I Love You.. ".
"It is better to die standing proud, than to live a lifetime on ones knees.."
Self Defence is no excuse for Genocide...
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02-11-2010, 11:51
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Naples, FL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by David M
That's funny...Call Rent-A-Pirate to defend you while making your transit.
What if you could pay a fee to them in return for leaving you alone?...like a "Pirate fees paid" sticker you put on your window? 
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Then the pirates will have to have elections to determine what the pirate fees are and how to distribute them. They will have to form a pirate revenue service to collect the fees and a prirate appraisal service for passing vessels to determine how much pirate fee they have to pay for safe passage. The penalty for not having the proper sticker will be the same as everywhere else, seize the vessel and hold the occupants for bail, ...oops I mean ransom.  Of course if a vessel doesn't have a fee sticker a pirate warrent will have to be issued, allowing free ransacking and seizing of any valuables for "evidence", as well as confiscating any materials, (weapons), that may be used to impede pirate investigations.
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02-11-2010, 11:57
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Moderator Emeritus

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Eastern Tennessee
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I was being facetious of course.
I wonder what Pirate Court would be like?
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02-11-2010, 12:05
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CLOD
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: being planted in Jacksonville Fl
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Posts: 20,813
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Quote:
Originally Posted by David M
I was being facetious of course.
I wonder what Pirate Court would be like?
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If they model it after "The People's Court" show it will be a world wide hit and bring in so much money all the problems will be solved.
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02-11-2010, 12:39
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Mariveles, Bataan, Philippines Islands
Boat: Wharram Pahi 63 Catamaran, Sailwind 27 Mono, Ring 20, Lee Fisher 16, Banks Dory, Dunlop Dive RIB
Posts: 141
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Discover Oil in Somalia! Hell you'd have so many western nations in there sorting that place out so fast it would make your head spin!
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02-11-2010, 13:10
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Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Rhode Island/Florida USA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muskoka
If you look on Craigs List you can hire a Somali support vessel. Full of pirates no doubt, but at least they're your pirates. That's what we'll be doing...
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I was thinking along these same lines. Your typical 'highwayman' would not have a vested interest in killing everyone who passes, but rather simply collecting a 'toll' for safe passage. This is not unlike the tradition of "insurance" from the mafia. Become a target or pay to be protected. I wouldn't mind paying to be protected.
In reality, the key here is the political and economic situation in the area. They need money and have no means of bringing it in. Therefore they find any desperate means they can to get it. Arming oneself will only escalate. Look how well that worked during teh 'cold war'.
It would seem finding a way to develop some type of commerce in the area for both commercial and cruising vessels would be preferred. Chandlery, Marine Services, Tourism? I would think people would be less apt to want to bite the hand that feeds them.
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02-11-2010, 13:14
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Armchair Bucketeer
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 10,012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Geminidawn
Discover Oil in Somalia! Hell you'd have so many western nations in there sorting that place out so fast it would make your head spin!
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There is. the question is how much.
Economy of Somalia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Do I win a prize?
Oh, and they've also got uranium
As a fundamentalist Atheist  it may seem strange for me to say, but the answer to Somalia involves Islam. Fundamentalist Islam  ........ with western support
Possibly at the moment not a price the west willing to pay, but if we looked 30 years ahead rather than only 30 days then not so scary. might take them 300 years to get rational, but in the meantime a functional society can develop.
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02-11-2010, 13:48
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Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,167
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Geminidawn
Discover Oil in Somalia! Hell you'd have so many western nations in there sorting that place out so fast it would make your head spin!
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That would make the Somalis the victims of the world's most sucsessful pirates.
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02-11-2010, 14:04
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Mariveles, Bataan, Philippines Islands
Boat: Wharram Pahi 63 Catamaran, Sailwind 27 Mono, Ring 20, Lee Fisher 16, Banks Dory, Dunlop Dive RIB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by David_Old_Jersey
Do I win a prize? 
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Yes! Shares in an Oil Company in Mogadishu, when you hit the mother load send us an e-mail we'll have the Navy on stand-by.
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02-11-2010, 14:17
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: St. Georges, Bda
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Quote:
Originally Posted by capn_billl
Then the pirates will have to have elections to determine what the pirate fees are and how to distribute them. They will have to form a pirate revenue service to collect the fees and a prirate appraisal service for passing vessels to determine how much pirate fee they have to pay for safe passage. The penalty for not having the proper sticker will be the same as everywhere else, seize the vessel and hold the occupants for bail, ...oops I mean ransom.  Of course if a vessel doesn't have a fee sticker a pirate warrent will have to be issued, allowing free ransacking and seizing of any valuables for "evidence", as well as confiscating any materials, (weapons), that may be used to impede pirate investigations.
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Substitute the word "government" for pirate in every case, and I think you will find that the manual is already in place,
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