Grrrr..Brexit.

[neilpride]

Sorry for my ignorance, but since when the English loose control of their country??

[weavis]

Originally Posted by flippercarson

A wonderful and momentous day for the British people!

Against the wishes of the liberal media and elitist billionaires, the English took back control of their country.

Well done.

Stock markets be damned...there are more important things in life than money.

eh? No one has control of their country if they have a government.
Most of the excesses of the EU could have been averted if the Brit government looked after Britain instead of themselves...

What would the EU have done if Britain said no to a few things?

Nothing.

The reality is different.

[IdoraKeeper]

Originally Posted by Kenomac

The good news....

The price of an Oyster new or used purchased in the UK, just dropped 10-15% overnight.

This!...Yes...discount Oysters. On a serious note. Immigration seems the paramount consideration.

Can we convince you to keep Trump in Scotland? A little arrest and incarceration? I would gladly exchange him for your outgoing PM.

[SaltyMonkey]

Come on. The Brexit is a NO to EU. EU blew it. Now they have to do something.

Give your country some credit. Took a lot of balls to vote like this. Reality will be different. It ain't over yet. No one's left.

[SVNeko]

Originally Posted by SaltyMonkey

Give your country some credit. Took a lot of balls to vote like this.

True. Makes the Scots, who chickened out at the last minute, look like a bunch of wusses.

[SaltyMonkey]

99% of the scots/NI voted to stay
90% of England voted to leave

Scotland is all white collar londoners w/o social issues of lower England

[MarkSF]

Originally Posted by weavis

Brexit happens. (or not)
"overwhelmingly Britain votes to go!"

er 2.something percent I believe was the difference....

So, apart from being short sighted, stupid and emotional, my costs will rise, my ability to travel will be curtailed and in general Britain will lose its favourable trading base...

The EU was a great idea, poorly implemented and hijacked by a couple of nations. Yet the reality is that enough jobs and perks were distributed to keep dissenters at bay....

Cant blame the EU for everything. (or rather you can). Britains government must take some of the blame for not looking after Britain.. they did receive good exchanges for their compliance though at the expense of the UK tax base.

Boating? A nightmare will ensue in the next couple of years.....

Oof.!

I feel better now...

52/48 is 1.08, which is to say 8% more people voted to leave, than to stay.

[neilpride]

Hahaha this is very funny, WTF is doing the moron Trump in SC ..... after all they vote to stay,,, LoL...

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by Polux

. . . Now UK can dream with his lost empire and EU can accelerate the measures to become in the future a federated state. . . ..

Wow, do you really believe that, Paolo? That's a fantasy cut from whole cloth. Only 19% of non-British Europeans want MORE integration:

How European Countries View Brexit | Pew Research Center

The Brits are hardly the most euroskeptical Europeans -- the French are actually more hostile to the EU than the Brits are, and even in Germany, only 50% of people view EU membership favorably, compared to only 48% who view the EU favorably.

There is no way in hell that there will be any "acceleration" of integration at this point. On the contrary, the task of the EU now is to somehow keep it from flying apart, as others will be encouraged by Brexit to leave as well. The Netherlands is a real possibility this year. There are plans to actually partially reverse integration by giving some powers back to national government, and this is probably a healthy reform in the medium term even if you think that the EU should ultimately become a real state.

If it weren't so dangerous and so depressing, the whole story would be a fascinating laboratory of democracy. The Brits made a huge mistake -- and a very naive mistake in my opinion* -- by giving such a momentous and structural decision to a single referendum vote decided by a simple majority, made by the people after only a few months of propaganda to decide what they feel like (Cameron was an idiot to propose it). Ironically enough, this is the opposite extreme from the EU itself, which is designed to insulate bureaucratic decision making as much as possible from popular will -- it is deeply and fundamentally anti-democratic. Both of these extremes are wrong, and Europe now has to find some middle way.



* The PROCESS of decision making is extremely important to whether a democracy has any hope of working, or not. In order to amend the U.S. constitution, a 2/3 majority of BOTH legislative chambers is required to even propose the amendment, then 3/4 of state legislatures must ratify the proposal before the amendment becomes effective. The idea is that really big, really structural, and often irreversible decisions should not be made on a sudden whim of popular will. But nevertheless should be made ultimately by the people, and not by unaccountable bureaucracies. This is complex to implement. The Brits screwed the pooch with Brexit, even if it was the right decision in the long term.

[GoingWalkabout]

Originally Posted by weavis

They will extract their revenge.
I am all for independence. The realities of the tentacle entrapment of globalism is all pervasive.
I reckon costs will rise 30%.

A some stage, in this case 43 years later, its a little hard to disentangle cheaply. I now probably will need visas for certain european countries to work in...
Boating agreements will now be subject to different rules.

Depends how much of bitchfest the EU want to make it...

The United Kingdom could save as much as 1 trillion pounds from exiting.

[woodenboats]

Originally Posted by Dockhead

... and even in Germany, only 50% of people view EU membership favorably, compared to only 48% who view the EU favorably...

I do not know where you got these figures, but the latest poll (done by Forsa on 6/22/16) resulted in 79% for remain and 17% for leave.

[Stu Jackson]

Originally Posted by GoingWalkabout

The United Kingdom could save as much as 1 trillion pounds from exiting.

So they'd get to make up only half of what they lost yesterday?

[tropicalescape]

Whats next? Major moves,pardiam shifts not seen in a life time..Profound change being dragged(lead like sheep) into the 21st century..Look east for answers(goodluck/yingyang with that one) and we may or not figure it out..At the macro level it seems to me that the English/United Kingdom have had enough of supporting the lower rung countries while losing control of their own to a United States of Europe that dictates from Brussells..Easy to see that but what seems so truly odd is the fact that the ones that voted for it (old people/baby boomers) have a short time to live and experiance what they have accomplised(less than 20 yrs) while throwing the genXers and Mills under the bus who will have 50 -60 yrs to live with it..Has got to be some as of yet unseen logic to it all wouldnt "you think"?

[Prairie Chicken]

It's a mess, & we haven't seen the start of it yet.

I'm convinced informed voters and those with money voted to stay, and the uninformed or those without money voted to leave. Accordingly, those with will be hurt, and those without had nothing to lose.

The Americans are laughing at the foolishness of the Brits for a change instead of the other way around. Hopefully that won't switch back in November!


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[SaltyMonkey]

So, tell me again where the metrosexxual, entitlement, careless, bourgeois, me-I-generation was again in the all talk and no vote?