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Old 25-11-2018, 15:51   #136
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See again here's the problem with your argument, many that make the GW argument (I don't know if you're one of them....but ) will mock religion and all the things that can't be proven, but yet will base their argument on things that CAN'T be proven in their life time because we'll all be dead before it comes to fruition. I can't believe more people don't see the humor in this. The "seas are rising" ummm ok where? 100 years from now. Can you prove that? Yes, in a hundred years, but you'll be dead, so just trust me.

At some point we have to actually use the tools we have - our brains, our investment in the subject-matter experts, the scientific process. No point in having a smoke detector, if you're going to ignore its warning cos you can't yet see flames.


btw, there are 999 other reasons for not consuming fossil fuel as quickly as possible. It is a finite resource. If you're at all religious, consider it a gift or a loan that was provided to enable us to make progress and lift people up. At some point we have to show that it was worth it. Or we can just continue to amuse ourselves, suck the bottle dry, and s#!t the cradle.
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Everything is caused by climate change. Every. Single. Thing.
Ok. No one's gonna convince you. You sure as heck ain't gonna convince anyone with a brain that Climate Change ain't happening. You're an embarrassment to the sailing community.
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Ok. No one's gonna convince you. You sure as heck ain't gonna convince anyone with a brain that Climate Change ain't happening. You're an embarrassment to the sailing community.
climate change is happening and it is 100% natural and driven by the sun.
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Ok. No one's gonna convince you. You sure as heck ain't gonna convince anyone with a brain that Climate Change ain't happening. You're an embarrassment to the sailing community.
Of course Climate Change is happening, look at the end of the last Ice Age. The climate changed and massive amounts of ice melted. The difference is if man has had any effect on it whatsoever.

Again like earlier, I can only imagine what people would blame the ice melting on 12,000 years ago if they had forums back then. If you can't blame the end of the last ice age on SUV's and Aqua net, then how can you blame the imperceivable "rising" of the oceans on man?

And lastly who in the hell are you to say that someone is an "embarrassment" to the sailing community? I didn't know we elected a leader that represented all of us and "our" beliefs. I hate to break it to you but there are lots of people that sail that think differently then you. If that disturbs you I'm sure you can find a safe space to hide in until other like minded people come rescue you.
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and no I don't listen to rush.
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Oh goody another climate change debate. Here's a quick quiz. What's wrong with the picture below?



(Hint: look at precipitation rate variations as state lines cross)
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We are once again experiencing record cold here in New England which began a full month early. Temps in the single digits F and well below zero C in the middle of November. This is normally our February weather, and there’s an arctic blast now covering much of the US.

Despite all this and the snow landing on their heads, the global warming crowd wants it to be colder and to pay higher taxes.

Who’s in denial of reality?
You are comparing apples and oranges IE weather and climate. Not the same thing.
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You are comparing apples and oranges IE weather and climate. Not the same thing.
Well that's odd. Why are fires, floods, heatwaves, hurricanes et al constantly thrown up as some kind of proof of climate change? It's even occurring within this thread.
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The claim that the scientists are biased and climate change is the result of self serving, biased reporting is specious at best. Anyone that hasn't already closed their mind read this report from NASA.

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

Why would organizations like the American Chemical Society whose livelihoods are predominantly based on petrochemicals that contribute to carbon emissions come out to support climate change? How does the AMA benefit from supporting climate change? Certainly more doctors won't be hired because they support the science.

Research shows that reports from many different, independent groups show that well over 90% (some indicate as high as 97%) of trained, published climate scientists agree that human activities are a significant contributing factor to climate change. 97%??? That's pretty overwhelming. Hard for me to believe that what approaches a consensus is all lies, all false information, all bull. That would be a pretty big conspiracy.

And data showing a correlation between human activities, especially burning fossil fuels is also overwhelming, not hidden not ignored, at least by those that read the evidence. Many, many studies show an exact relationship between carbon in the atmosphere and the average global temperature rise. Not a coincidence.
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Well that's odd. Why are fires, floods, heatwaves, hurricanes et al constantly thrown up as some kind of proof of climate change? It's even occurring within this thread.
Well if you learn the difference between weather and climate it's all quite clear.

When you look at the big picture, averages of the number and severity of weather events over a period of time, that is climate. One hurricane, one winter storm, one hotter or colder summer or even one season of any of these is weather.
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Well if you learn the difference between weather and climate it's all quite clear.

When you look at the big picture, averages of the number and severity of weather events over a period of time, that is climate. One hurricane, one winter storm, one hotter or colder summer or even one season of any of these is weather.

Yep, definitely a distinct signature in the climate record.



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Um, no?
So if everyone in the US, and that includes individuals in charge of energy consuming companies, changed their habits to be more eco friendly, why would we need to change or make new policies? The root is the individual not the policy.
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So on a slightly different note. Does anyone believe that a population of anything has the ability to impact the environment in which it lives?
Eg if there were 200 billion people living like we do now would that maybe make any difference to our environment?
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I would prefer one that values freedom over a nanny state and brain washing. Let the people decide, make a referendum.
Ah yes. Anytime anyone suggests any kind of regulation or law the old nanny state claim pops up.

Without the nanny state and no laws we would live in total anarchy. Without laws and enforcement there will always be a part of the population that will trample the rights of the rest. The trick is to find the balance between personal freedom and actions that infringe on the lives of others; the balance between too much government and not enough.

Personally I'm not always that big a fan of letting the people decide. At times in the past that hasn't worked out so well. For example, at one time the people decided that segregation was OK, decided to lock up or even execute homosexuals, let men vote but not women. I won't even mention other examples for the sake of avoiding Godwin's Law and other cliches.
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