Daylight Saving Time

[Montanan]

The higher one is in latitudes the more logical basis that a DST makes.

Here in Montana, falling back an hour is very beneficial to the safety of children as they are not out in the dark as much when commuting to school.

Personally, being located on the far west side of the Montana time zone, the state is an entire width of the time zone [a.k.a. Mountain time], our sun rise is already an hour delayed compared to our eastern Montanans. And being in a valley shadowed below a tall mountain range located directly to our east the sun does not rise high enough to directly shine on the town until about 8:30 AM at this time of the year. The tall mountain range adds a delay to our start of day but makes up for that with a glorious alpine glow during the evening sunsets.

During our summer we have very long daylight but during winter it becomes short. Our latitude is comparable to Paris, France quite northern. Albeit, not as northern as our Canadian neighbors up in Edmonton, eh. A lot of Canadians head south for their winter, we see a massive migration through Montana in the Fall and Spring, not just their geese passing through.

If one is located nearer to the equator there is no purpose to resetting the time, rather like Arizona following Standard time only, except the Navajo Nation which utilizes DST. Here on our Flathead Nation lands, we align with the Montana State time changes so as to not have confusion when crossing the sovereigns' boundary. If we [the tribes and the state] had different seasonal reference times, I would need to shift my clock whenever I travelled beyond the halfway mark of Flathead Lake when sailing, north and south, now that would be confusing during a day sail, but the GPS of my mobile phone would accommodate such boundary changes if the software was updated for localization.

Whatever time it is for you all, I hope it is a grand time.

[smacksman]

Originally Posted by Montanan

The higher one is in latitudes the more logical basis that a DST makes.

Here in Montana, falling back an hour is very beneficial to the safety of children as they are not out in the dark as much when commuting to school.
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An argument that is often used. So logically, as daylight changes about an hour a month at these lattitudes, it makes more sense for light sensitive businesses, like schools, to alter their opening/closing times by an hour each month from one solstice to the next. For the rest - keep to local time year round as nature determins. No sense in Man trying to move a state or country 15 degrees east every spring.

[desodave]

BC has legislated year round DST but only if our southern coastal neighbours ... Washington, Oregon and California also do so. It would simplify our time keeping if that were the case

[sv_pelagia]

DST year round means DARK in the morning (like right now... hate it)... NOT great for kids getting to school in the morning (at end of school day ~3pm, it is still light on standard time). Sleep experts aregue against DST.



DST is a stupid idea. Year round standard time would also simplify things....

[GordMay]

On October 31, 2019, the government of British Columbia introduced legislative amendments ,that will allow for a future move to permanent daylight saving time, after 93% of British Columbian respondents indicated support for the change, in a record-breaking public engagement.
The change will not take effect until B.C. can maintain alignment with Washington, Oregon, California and Yukon, which are all in the process of creating or enacting similar legislation [which is against US federal law*].
However, the bill does not prevent government from forging ahead, if such a move, is determined to be in B.C.’s best interests.

Across all regions, support for a change to year-round DST was over 90%. Similarly, across all industry groups and all occupational groups, except for students, support for year-round DST observance was higher than 90%.

Pacific time will be seven hours behind co-ordinated universal time [UTC], the same difference observed, during daylight saving time.

* U.S. Federal law prohibits states from switching to permanent daylight saving time. Changes to federal law, including the Sunshine Protection Act, stalled in 2023, have yet to come up for a vote, in 2024.

Legislators, in many U.S. states, have introduced bills to eliminate clock changes. But, in almost all states, there has been relatively little momentum, in 2024, as most bills have been rejected, or stalled in committees.
State legislatures have considered over 700 bills and resolutions, in recent years, to establish year-round daylight saving time as soon as federal law allows it.

Under the Uniform Time Act, States may choose to exempt themselves from observing Daylight Saving Time, by State law. States do not have the authority to choose to be on permanent Daylight Saving Time.

Public Law 89-387 Uniform Time Act of 1966
AN ACT To promote the observance of a uniform system of time throughout the United States.
➥ https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/...E-80-Pg107.pdf

[gonesail]

I always hear the same BS every year: oh boy you get to sleep an extra hour .. but guess what? it's gonna be dark when you get off work. DST is an outdated sham

[sv_pelagia]

Originally Posted by GordMay

On October 31, 2019, the government of British Columbia introduced legislative amendments ,that will allow for a future move to permanent daylight saving time, after 93% of British Columbian respondents indicated support for the change, in a record-breaking public engagement.
The change will not take effect until B.C. can maintain alignment with Washington, Oregon, California and Yukon, which are all in the process of creating or enacting similar legislation [which is against US federal law*].
However, the bill does not prevent government from forging ahead, if such a move, is determined to be in B.C.’s best interests.

Across all regions, support for a change to year-round DST was over 90%. Similarly, across all industry groups and all occupational groups, except for students, support for year-round DST observance was higher than 90%.

Pacific time will be seven hours behind co-ordinated universal time [UTC], the same difference observed, during daylight saving time.

To clarify: The British Columbian survey did NOT include the choice of year round standard time. So, a flawed survey.

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by sv_pelagia

To clarify: The British Columbian survey did NOT include the choice of year round standard time. So, a flawed survey.

You're right! IDK that.
The survey was short (about five minutes to complete), and asked four questions about
respondents’ attitudes towards a change to year-round observance of DST:
• Whether respondents preferred observing DST year-round, or retaining the bi-annual time change;
• Reason(s) for respondents’ preference;
• Whether respondents felt alignment with neighbouring provinces, territories and states was important; and
• Whether respondents believed that B.C. should decide this issue independently, or move to align with the decisions of the three states on the Pacific Coast (Washington, Oregon, and California).

2.1.1 Online Survey [page 3] ➥ https://engage.gov.bc.ca/app/uploads...nal-Report.pdf

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by massnspace

What does this have to do with sailing? Doesn’t belong on this forum….

Facebook is people I know, saying things I don't care about.
The CruisersForum is people I don't know, saying interesting things.

For instance:
You can answer the words "where", "when", and "what"; just by changing the Ws to Ts.

[Montanan]

Daylight saving time is when people spend hours on social media [e.g., CruisersForum] complaining about losing an hour of sleep.


Daylight Saving Time night is when 2 becomes 1.


I am sorry for the things I said when it was winter.


You can't Spring forward unless you Fall back.


Is Daylight Saving Time a form of time travel?


A set of twins born during Daylight Savings Time in 2016 had everyone confused because Samuel was born first at 1:39 AM, but Ronan was born 31 minutes later when is was technically 1:10 AM, so thanks to the time change each of them is older than the other.

[requiem]

Ugh... Many of the "eliminate the time changes" folk argue for using summer time year-round, which is likely what happened with the survey Gord referenced.

Everyone wants the long summer evenings, but they always forget the dark winter mornings it would create. I recall this had been tried in the US a half-century back, and was quickly undone after people experienced the totally unexpected and unforeseen phenomenon of "winter".

[MicHughV]

There was a time not so long ago when I thought that this topic would clearly be a waste of my time, but that was a long time ago and since that time I learned that time is money, but time can manage to move along at incrementally slow speed watching my money grow, in fact, one could say, that watching money grow is a timeless venture where time can actually stop for an indetermined amount of time or even go backwards in time.
Equally, time often flies, especially when late for work or other important stuff. so it is becoming more and more difficult for me to tell the exact time.
Now, having spent a lot of time explaining the nuances of time, no doubt there are posters here that will have a time of it dissecting my post in a timely manner and only time will tell if they will be successful or not.

[Montanan]

If you have kids then one knows how hard it is to awaken them for school when it is dark outside in winter so one is eager to switch to ST; and just the opposite as to how hard it is to get them to go to sleep when the sun remains shining late in the evening due to DST in the Spring.

[massnspace]

Originally Posted by Montanan

If you have kids then one knows how hard it is to awaken them for school when it is dark outside in winter so one is eager to switch to ST; and just the opposite as to how hard it is to get them to go to sleep when the sun remains shining late in the evening due to DST in the Spring.

This really helps me understand sailing better….such relevance.

[massnspace]

Originally Posted by MicHughV

There was a time not so long ago when I thought that this topic would clearly be a waste of my time, but that was a long time ago and since that time I learned that time is money, but time can manage to move along at incrementally slow speed watching my money grow, in fact, one could say, that watching money grow is a timeless venture where time can actually stop for an indetermined amount of time or even go backwards in time.
Equally, time often flies, especially when late for work or other important stuff. so it is becoming more and more difficult for me to tell the exact time.
Now, having spent a lot of time explaining the nuances of time, no doubt there are posters here that will have a time of it dissecting my post in a timely manner and only time will tell if they will be successful or not.

This really helps me understand sailing better. Very relevant. Thank you.