Youtube liveaboard stars?

[sea2ocean]

Originally Posted by Saleen411

Indeed. Based on the Sailing Doodles channel comments, many if not most of the guys are focused entirely on the gals. Ridiculously so......boat?...what boat?

"Hey, too bad about your yacht. I'll send you a few bucks if I can get a date with Taylor"

Evidently this works for the gals and Bobby has no problem obtaining sexy crew. At least 2 now have their own channels.

Who would want to watch a vlog filled with your typical old, unattractive, bitter old men? Watch some television. Not sure if you noticed, but don't see a lot of unattractive people. I'm guessing you still watch TV and movies though.

[sea2ocean]

Originally Posted by jtsailjt

I think that’s common on these “sailing” channels that are more about bikini babes than actual sailing or cruising. Like someone else mentioned sex sells but to an audience that’s more interested in a fantasy involving hot chicks away from their boring routine than actual sailors interested in a sailing channel. The sailboat is just a backdrop for the real subject of these channels, what’s behind the bikini. I would be willing to bet that only a tiny percentage of Bobby’s subscribers are cruising sailors but big numbers are necessary for him to make a living so he’s selling something more people are interested in than are interested in sailing. I can’t blame him. He seems to be enjoying life without a 9-5 job, but from what I’ve seen of him by watching a couple of his YouTube episodes I wouldn’t really consider his channel to be primarily about sailing.

Most commonly they're just couples or people in a demographic that involves that. In the case Doodles, Taylor can legit sail and Aly works on racing boats.

Not primarily about sailing? He's live on a boat the whole time and spends every episode fixing the boat or sailing it or visiting destinations where they've sailed. Jealous perhaps?

[sea2ocean]

Originally Posted by mvweebles

The folks on Project Atticus have decided to get a new boat. They have started a Kickstarter campaign and are seeking gifts from strangers. Seems they "suddenly" found termites in their main bulkhead and are asking for someone else to fund their boat

I cannot bring myself to share the link. There are so many people struggling right now and while I know these types of videos provide escapism, the idea of paying for someone's boat just doesn't set well with me even though they seem like a nice couple.

I think I'm done following sailors for a while.

Peter

I saw that too. Convenient timing given that they're about to do an ocean crossing and I'm sure Zingaro's fundraiser opened eyes.

Originally Posted by calmissile

Just a theory on my part, but think that may have been the sequence of events in this case.

It's rare that a catastrophic situation is one thing. It's usually 4 or 5 things going wrong.

[sea2ocean]

Originally Posted by grantmc

Looks just like a bum and boobie channel. Beautiful 30 somethings exposing lots of flesh. Yeah, more flesh please!

Seeing it, it's basically a woman making a life mistake being with the going nowhere guy because of physical reasons. I'm sure her parents aren't exactly happy.

[Pelagic]

My philosophy and reasoning about funding YouTube lifestyles is that.
1.... I admire you

2.....I wish you great success and happiness

3.... I would never wish to detract from your accomplishments by having others critically suggest that I helped to pay for that success.....

So I Don't!

[jtsailjt]

Originally Posted by sea2ocean

Most commonly they're just couples or people in a demographic that involves that. In the case Doodles, Taylor can legit sail and Aly works on racing boats.



Not primarily about sailing? He's live on a boat the whole time and spends every episode fixing the boat or sailing it or visiting destinations where they've sailed. Jealous perhaps?

Granted, I haven’t seen enough of his vids to say what they’re all like, but ask yourself how many subscribers you think he’d have if it were just him appearing in his videos or if his crew were more nondescript and didn’t wear bikinis. Based on this latest incident it’s pretty apparent there are MANY better sources if someone is interested in learning about sailing or maintaining sailboats. He apparently had no idea of the weather forecast along his route, he didn’t properly prepare his vessel for the passage (anchor, dinghy) and once he started having problems his actions made them worse (much) so he had to call in the cavalry to rescue him. All this on a short voyage on a boat that was basically seaworthy when he left port. No, I’m not jealous.

[mvweebles]

I'll caution about Monday morning quarterbacking. Doodles has a shtick that revolved around partying and such, but in the end, they have sailed a bunch. Something went horribly wrong. You have to be pretty darn arrogant to say "what a moron. I'd never find myself in those circumstances."

I've known a couple very experienced captains who had very unfortunate accidents, one instance put a very capable boat on the rocks on the Baja Penninsula that ultimately resulted in loss of life (not his). I can assure you, the captain left no stone unturned in avoiding the catastrophe, and I can also assure you that many, many people second guessed his decisions.

In the end, a better question what causes him to do what he did? Why wouldn't I do the same thing? As others have said, it's seldom a single failure, but a domino falls that triggers a series of events. Compounded by sleep deprivation of a single hander, and you just never know that you'd have a different outcome.

Peter

[SVSOLITAIRE]

Originally Posted by mvweebles

The folks on Project Atticus have decided to get a new boat. They have started a Kickstarter campaign and are seeking gifts from strangers. Seems they "suddenly" found termites in their main bulkhead and are asking for someone else to fund their boat

I cannot bring myself to share the link. There are so many people struggling right now and while I know these types of videos provide escapism, the idea of paying for someone's boat just doesn't set well with me even though they seem like a nice couple.

I think I'm done following sailors for a while.

Peter

Thank you for mentioning this. I was appalled at that video. In very poor taste, as well as a perfect example of the decay that happens when striving for dollars instead of dreams.

That is a perfectly manageable repair, especially considering the fact that everything else has been updated (thanks to viewers dollars).

The sense of entitlement was astounding.

[mvweebles]

Originally Posted by SVSOLITAIRE

Thank you for mentioning this. I was appalled at that video. In very poor taste, as well as a perfect example of the decay that happens when striving for dollars instead of dreams.

That is a perfectly manageable repair, especially considering the fact that everything else has been updated (thanks to viewers dollars).

The sense of entitlement was astounding.

Right? I've watched on/off from their beginning when they worked odd jobs (canvas for her, mostly fiberglass for him). He's actually a pretty talented fiberglass and repair guy. Estimating 3 to 4 months was interesting

My guess is they already have a boat. This video was just a contrived transition. I had a similar feeling about zingaro. But maybe in just cynical.

Any bets on when Atticus shows up with a replacement? I'll bet it's inside 4 weeks. Sure won't be the months and months of searching and multiple surveys it takes everyone else. They have a boat. Just need a storyline to Tug at heart strings and open wallets.

Peter

[jmh2002]

Originally Posted by mvweebles

I'll caution about Monday morning quarterbacking. Doodles has a shtick that revolved around partying and such, but in the end, they have sailed a bunch. Something went horribly wrong.

That's a fair comment, however I would also caution against equating having sailed a bunch or done a lot of miles, to being the same as having the right knowledge and experience, along with the fortitude to make the correct decisions when things go wrong.

The modern boats that many people cruise on now are generally bigger, faster, and better equipped than in the past, and combined with the electronic navigation and weather forecasting and routing tools it all starts to become quite easy to do a lot of miles these days, especially on the common trade wind routes, without necessarily learning a whole lot or what is actually right or correct.

And in fact you see that all the time on the various YouTube channels, where a lot of miles have been done and yet basic errors continue to be made, in either a cruising context, or a technical sailing context.

[mvweebles]

Originally Posted by jmh2002

That's a fair comment, however I would also caution against equating having sailed a bunch or done a lot of miles, to being the same as having the right knowledge and experience, along with the fortitude to make the correct decisions when things go wrong.

The modern boats that many people cruise on now are generally bigger, faster, and better equipped than in the past, and combined with the electronic navigation and weather forecasting and routing tools it all starts to become quite easy to do a lot of miles these days, especially on the common trade wind routes, without necessarily learning a whole lot or what is actually right or correct.

And in fact you see that all the time on the various YouTube channels, where a lot of miles have been done and yet basic errors continue to be made, in either a cruising context, or a technical sailing context.

I guess my point is that when stuff happens, the only lesson folks seem to take away is "that would never happen to me. I'm not dumb enough to find myself in that situation." Sometimes, you find yourself in a stupid situation. Question is how do you recognize it and do you have the skills and resources to remediate, or are you dependent on luck? Who can be sure that they'd be perfectly responsive when singlehanding in messy (but not awful) weather?

Someone recently posted this Pic on the joke thread. Sort of speaks to the point of circumstances colliding to "uh-oh....is this the moment when...."

[sea2ocean]

Originally Posted by jtsailjt

Granted, I haven’t seen enough of his vids to say what they’re all like, but ask yourself how many subscribers you think he’d have if it were just him appearing in his videos or if his crew were more nondescript and didn’t wear bikinis. Based on this latest incident it’s pretty apparent there are MANY better sources if someone is interested in learning about sailing or maintaining sailboats. He apparently had no idea of the weather forecast along his route, he didn’t properly prepare his vessel for the passage (anchor, dinghy) and once he started having problems his actions made them worse (much) so he had to call in the cavalry to rescue him. All this on a short voyage on a boat that was basically seaworthy when he left port. No, I’m not jealous.

They're not sailing training videos, so I don't understand what you comment even means. Sorry, but nobody wants to watch bitter, angry old men sailing. The last two women he hired on the boat knew well what they were doing.

Yeah, you might convince yourself of the last part....

[sea2ocean]

Originally Posted by mvweebles

Right? I've watched on/off from their beginning when they worked odd jobs (canvas for her, mostly fiberglass for him). He's actually a pretty talented fiberglass and repair guy. Estimating 3 to 4 months was interesting

My guess is they already have a boat. This video was just a contrived transition. I had a similar feeling about zingaro. But maybe in just cynical.

Any bets on when Atticus shows up with a replacement? I'll bet it's inside 4 weeks. Sure won't be the months and months of searching and multiple surveys it takes everyone else. They have a boat. Just need a storyline to Tug at heart strings and open wallets.

Peter

Zingaro had a pontoon detach 50 miles offshore. It was covered in island media. Atticus I can see 100% though buddy. They saw Zingaro did. They wanted a bigger boat. If they wanted to fake that *needed* to sell this would be the ideal timing. Also, pandemic on a boat that tiny had to be tough. Their came off as contrived as an episode of Storage Wars.

In the end, I can't blame them. Emotional people are easily parted with their money.

[mvweebles]

Originally Posted by sea2ocean

Zingaro had a pontoon detach 50 miles offshore. It was covered in island media. Atticus I can see 100% though buddy. They saw Zingaro did. They wanted a bigger boat. If they wanted to fake that *needed* to sell this would be the ideal timing. Also, pandemic on a boat that tiny had to be tough. Their came off as contrived as an episode of Storage Wars.

In the end, I can't blame them. Emotional people are easily parted with their money.

My apologies - I did not mean to take one ounce of respect away from Zingaros plight. I don't know if he was lucky or skilled or both. But those two were damn close to being an asterisk in life.

The point that I did not make at all clear is the sequence of asking for help and boat purchase seemed a bit fabricated. Sort of like those home improvement shows that lead up to a big reveal such as House Hunters. Turns out the buyer has already made their purchase before the show even filmed. Which is how the Atticus spin came off to me. "oh my, shocked! We have termite damage! What ever shall we do?"

For some reason, when House Hunters does it, just seems like TV. But just struck me as odd with these you tubers where they work so hard to develop a personal connection with their viewers.

Anyone remember the Jim Carey movie Truman Show? Must be sort of surreal to contrive your life into 17 minutes of video. Odd way to make a living.

In a way, I sort of respect the Sailing Geckos gal. This mother of two and her videographer husband makes no apology about their adventure, including purchase of a $500k Cat to replace their original monohull, is funded by monthly subscriptions to her porn site. YouTube sailing Channel is just a teaser site to get people to her Patreon site where her porn subscriptions are sold. They're pretty upfront about it. Sort of weird, especially with two young children in the background (YT vids - can't speak to the porn vids). But absolutely zero deception. You get what you pay for. You want more? Gotta pay.

Peter

[SVSOLITAIRE]

Originally Posted by mvweebles

My apologies - I did not mean to take one ounce of respect away from Zingaros plight. I don't know if he was lucky or skilled or both. But those two were damn close to being an asterisk in life.

The point that I did not make at all clear is the sequence of asking for help and boat purchase seemed a bit fabricated. Sort of like those home improvement shows that lead up to a big reveal such as House Hunters. Turns out the buyer has already made their purchase before the show even filmed. Which is how the Atticus spin came off to me. "oh my, shocked! We have termite damage! What ever shall we do?"

For some reason, when House Hunters does it, just seems like TV. But just struck me as odd with these you tubers where they work so hard to develop a personal connection with their viewers.

Anyone remember the Jim Carey movie Truman Show? Must be sort of surreal to contrive your life into 17 minutes of video. Odd way to make a living.

In a way, I sort of respect the Sailing Geckos gal. This mother of two and her videographer husband makes no apology about their adventure, including purchase of a $500k Cat to replace their original monohull, is funded by monthly subscriptions to her porn site. YouTube sailing Channel is just a teaser site to get people to her Patreon site where her porn subscriptions are sold. They're pretty upfront about it. Sort of weird, especially with two young children in the background (YT vids - can't speak to the porn vids). But absolutely zero deception. You get what you pay for. You want more? Gotta pay.

Peter

Holly Martin (wind hippy sailing (gecko) has done it right. She has a patreon but it doesn’t feel forced whereas Atticus pretty much stopped doing episodes for awhile in order to focus on live chats that were more like fundraising sessions then anything else. I get that crossing the pacific is a daunting task but Holly took the bull by the horns with little in the way of emergency resources. Atticus on the other hand has been qued up in Panama bilking cash for further improvements to their vessel.

The thing that really burns my bacon is that the Atticus crew started out preaching the principles of Lin and Larry Pardy. Go small go now. That tune has quickly changed to needing all top tier equipment in order to make a passage.

As a solo cruiser with no cash reserve that hasn’t been earned by the sweat of my brow I just find it ingenious to constantly beg for assistance. Entertaining or not. If the were really about the community they should donate Atticus to a young couple to pay back all the kindness that has allowed them to live marina life.


Maybe I’m just bitter.