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Old 19-07-2017, 01:57   #406
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If they are spending $5 on what you call a 'home-movie' then what are spending on the shows with more professional content. Those that are more travel adventure and documentaries, or howtos.
I don't quite understand your question, but here you go. I haven't watched TV in over 1 year. In my free time, I'm on the Net. The ISP charges a monthly fee. I pay nothing more than that. Finished. Why send extra money to some strangers for their home movies? I can watch them for free anyway, as well as travel-adventure and National Geographic movies. Real films, shot by PROFESSIONALS, not some guy on a boat looking for cash to fund a permanent vacation. Does that answer your question?
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I don't quite understand your question, but here you go. I haven't watched TV in over 1 year. In my free time, I'm on the Net. The ISP charges a monthly fee. I pay nothing more than that. Finished. Why send extra money to some strangers for their home movies? I can watch them for free anyway, as well as travel-adventure and National Geographic movies. Real films, shot by PROFESSIONALS, not some guy on a boat looking for cash to fund a permanent vacation. Does that answer your question?
Yet there is no difference in some cases. You get professional shows about people renovating their homes, cars, campers etc.. Many of these are of lower quality than something like Boatworks Today. Similarly, you get shows like Michael Portillo's (UK former politician now journalist) railway series. Excellently shot and well structured, but no better than some of the sailing videos on Youtube.

You seem to think anything that someone isn't being to shoot is a home movie. Phillip Bloom is a professional director, cameraman etc.. yet he often shoots various things just for fun, just like some of the sailors mentioned in this thread. They are far from home movies about little Anna's 5 year old birthday party.

Here is some professional paid content broadcast on the BBC in the UK


Here's a home movie according to you:
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Yet there is no difference in some cases. You get professional shows about people renovating their homes, cars, campers etc.. Many of these are of lower quality than something like Boatworks Today. Similarly, you get shows like Michael Portillo's (UK former politician now journalist) railway series. Excellently shot and well structured, but no better than some of the sailing videos on Youtube.

You seem to think anything that someone isn't being to shoot is a home movie. Phillip Bloom is a professional director, cameraman etc.. yet he often shoots various things just for fun, just like some of the sailors mentioned in this thread. They are far from home movies about little Anna's 5 year old birthday party.
You missed my point. Sure, there's LOTS of crap media available today, shot by "pros". The bar has been lowered, substantially. The music industry as well. Thus, any dude or dudette on a boat can pretend that they are a pro cameramen, editor, director, etc. So?

My point was "why pay"? It's free to watch, whether it's garbage shot by a paid BBC pro or bumpkins looking for 'free ride' cash given to them from dumbbells.

Then, there's the higher level footage/productions, shot by REAL pros. You can tell the difference, right? I can. And still, I don't pay extra to watch. Today, you can find everything and anything on the Net, all free to watch. Why toss away your money to strangers who you'll never meet?
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I've been watching these folks for years, as well as the recent explosion of others wishing to follow in their "monetary income" wakes. It will be interesting to see where this goes (money wise) over the next few years, yet here's a few of my thoughts, opinions, ideas, and guesses - point by point:

A few things first, and by the way, it's "Delos", not "Velos".

Personally, I enjoy watching many of these "home movie" videos. However, would I ever "pay money" to watch them? No! Just like I never payed my friends to watch THEIR home movies. Would I ever pay money for one of their coffee cups, hoodies, or t-shirts? No. However, some people do.

Who would pay? My guess?
1) Rich yacht-sters or others who just want to blow some bread.
2) Mom & Dad, Sis & Bro, Grammy & Gramps, and assorted pals.
3) Folks that just wish to live vicariously, because their own lives are dead.
4) THEMSELVES! (ping pong!): Keep in mind that maybe many of their gracious patrons could be "them" paying "themselves". You don't want to appear to be the "sad sailing ducks" with no patrons. Thus, set up accounts and pay yourself, that might encourage others to do the same. The more "patron" money you get per upload, the more chance that "anonymous" wannabes will want to join the "let's pay them" club.

Oh, but there's more to think about. Let's examine a few, and I'll keep proper names away for political correctness:

1) Crocodile Dundee is not so young. As for the money to buy the first boat in Italy, I think he was working for years on oil rigs, or something akin. Thus, he saved enough to buy the used French boat. After sailing to Greece, he met the wannabe "Sheryl Crow / Joni Mitchell". She had the "make videos / patron money" ideas. She was just a Roo on a Greek island, with no bread and no plans. Before that she was a runaround hippie. Lot's of those around. Good thing she's a looker. That helps. It also helps that he's a good looking guy. I sometimes enjoy watching them, yet would I pay money for that? Nope. That aside, they lucked out. It's the "new age of advertising" for yacht makers. Watch them embrace and start laughing in glee on their new boat. Even "they" cannot believe that "strangers" give them money to sail around and that a yacht company gave them a boat. It's like high-school kids hitting the jackpot in Vegas. Where will it go? Who knows? They recently put out a contest for a new crew member, because they need "video editing" help. Since the new boat, their patron money has gone down.

2) Mr. Computer from Flagstaff saved money, sold house and car, quit his job, took a bank loan for the boat, and went sailing - with now "ex-wife"(?) and brother. Similar to Crocodile Dundee, he's not young, and they had no idea that they could make some bread sailing around when they left Mexico. In fact, I think that someone suggested to them "You should buy a video camera and record your passage." Good thing that the ex was replaced by a cute desperate Swede who enjoys being topless. Not much was waiting for her in New Zealand, so why not go sailing? That aside, I like many of their home videos. Would I pay? Nope! Why pay? Now, and after their recent trip to France, where it appears that the French boat maker also wants to enter the "new age of advertising" game, their patron money has gone down. But, don't forget that Mr. Computer can always probably make "secret" computer-related money over the Net. That fact won't be mentioned when they stare gleefully into the camera and say "Buy us a beer, bro!" Keep in mind, many of these patron seekers may actually have a lucrative "secret" side business. heheheh! They are laughing ALL the way to the bank!

3) The "Cat from Canada" trudging around for years in the Caribbean with assorted girlfriends who eventually leave him. I liked the first video of his that I noticed. He was sailing down to Granada to avoid a hurricane. Eventually the blonde left. Recently, the communist girlfriend (who also previously left) came back, as who would not select "sailing the Caribbean with Grandpa and his kid" over cold nights in Moscow working part time at McDonalds? It's an easy choice. Recently, Canada Cat decided to try and join the "patron" game, and there's even a video of them chatting with Mr. Computer boat. Do you wanna guess what they were "really" discussing that was not on the home movie? I know what they were talking about.

4) The Man from Brighton, Massachusetts! OK, I'll say it! Drake! I LIKE this guy, and I used to live in Brighton 30 years ago. It's a section of Boston. He's a very good egg. The first video I saw he was leaving NYC, headed solo for Bermuda. He heard an SOS from a chump with no cash and decided to help him. While towing the dude to Bermuda, the boats "banged in the night", and his bowsprit got mangled. Of course the dude in the other boat couldn't pay him any bread to fix his bowsprit, so he had to chew it. Poor guy. That aside, I like many of his home movies. He loves sailing, and he's got a good heart. Why he picked up the gal in the Carolinas who always appears "sour" and stays below seasick, I have no idea. That's love, I guess.

5) Ms. Deutschland! Pretty enough. Good legs. Dad has money through his pharmacy. I can tell by her English that she lived in the States. She sometimes flies home to Germany for the holidays, and for more bread from dad, but is now pulling in a fair "patron" income. We'll see where she ends up in that old steel tub of hers. I think she's now in the Pacific after a few years in the Caribbean, where she learned to sail. Good luck, fraulein!

6) Ms. Texas! Not much needs to be said about her. She was recently hanging around "Canadian Cat" for a while, yet I'll leave her sordid story alone.

And finally, the EXPLOSION of others who basically just wish to follow in the wakes to make money, hoping for a "dream life" tropical vacation that pays $500K a year. Good luck!... and we'll see where this all ends up. I think the more folks that enter the game, or just the boredom that will probably soon arise, the more the patron money will go away. I could be wrong. Who knows? Television shows eventually go off the air, because ratings drop. It should be the same with home movies.

With that aside, what type of person wants to give even "ONE DOLLAR" to strangers on the Internet who are laughing all the way to the bank, with also a free million-dollar boat? I have no idea where that idiocy comes from, but it doesn't come from me.

Lastly, I REALLY LIKED "Boston SV Slick", and "Alex Rust" (RIP). Those cats sailed for the true love of sailing. Nothing else. No begging for beers while taking delivery of a million-dollar yacht.

All food for thought.

Cheers!
Pretty good summary there fella.

With the exception of the top 3 or 4 high subscribers on Patreon I would guess the rest are living hand to mouth and barely covering costs.

I agree that the more commercial the videos become the more I get turned off! and sponsors are going to want there day in the sun.

Success currently depends on Sex appeal but that's only going to go so far.

Gone with the wynns drive me crazy with there just stepped out of the salon looks. But they are informative and are having a great time.

End of the day .......they are living other people's dreams.
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I like Gone with the Wynns. Not a fan of their grading, and find their videos overly contrasty, but otherwise good. A bit cheesy in places, but as you say informative for the most part. They think very carefully about all their purchases and work, and let their viewers in on their decision making. Of course they have been at it for years on land. Sailing is no different other than poor internet connections.
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This Thread has opened my eyes to how sailing around the world is properly to be done. To be a good sailor it is best to live on the edge of being broke and penniless. Most of your time should be used to fix broken gear that is rusting apart. None of that having fun when you get to places, like eating or drinking and never dock at a marina even for one night. Any food eaten should be caught with a line from the side of the boat.

This is best done with a boat that you personally duct taped together after you talked a very rich widow out of her husbands boat that she went on once 45 years ago and never again. No need for toilets or showers. True sailors are really campers on water. When stepping off your boat to stand on dry land, it is customary to flog yourself for this evil deed. Also, you must hand row your wooden dingy to shore, if there is some extreme you must leave the safety of the open ocean.

No, internet, cell phones, data plans, weather reports, routing websites or noonsite needed. Check the weather with your eyes and holding up a wet finger to check the wind. If Moana did not need a chart plotter to sail around the pacific and back, then neither do I. The stars worked fine for a few thousand years, only a fool would use anything else. Many adventures have left to the sea with a hug and kiss goodbye to family and friends who did not know where they were till they got back two or three years later. So there is no need for cameras or video. I will just sit everyone that cares to listen in a circle and tell my tales of high seas adventure.

I might be a wuss and use paper charts. But only those were approved by Ferdinand Magellan. Sexton only, none of that fancy GPS, those are for video game sailors that drink tea. Sails should be hand patched with T-shirts or blue jeans found washed up on a beach. None of those fancy composite sails. No windless needed, a true sailor pulls his anchor up by hand. Now I understand, my eyes have been opened. By following this philosophy I should have an enjoyable authentic adventure.
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Yup, that's an interesting question. However, it's growing. Landlubbers (folks that know NOTHING about sailing) are jumping in. It's the latest craze, and why not? Today's Internet / mobile-phone generation humans have basically forgotten how to speak or socialize, and have no real-life friends. Thus, they are dying to throw away $5.00 per home movie so that strangers on some boat far far away will say "Thank you so much, we love you, and your money, our dear stupid friend."



It's easy to investigate. No need to guess.

[QOUTE] Also.....how many hours/week do they spend on their efforts.
Not many! Look, I'll give you a camera, and 7 days to be around a boat. Yes, that's 168 hours. Now, when I see you again in 1 week, show me the 15 minutes of home movies that you shot and edited. Can you shoot 15 minutes of home movies, with a quick edit, in 168 hours? I hope so. It's sooooooo funny! Don't forget, all you'll be filming is cooking hamburgers, drinking beer, running around a beach, Bambi taking off her bikini top, diving off the boat, and spewing out nonsense in the main salon. Pretty simple!



Again, do some investigation. It's easy. Visit anyone's Patreon page. The 2017 US minimum wage is $7.25 per hour. Times 40, equals $290 per week. Most all are making that wage, or more. Some, MUCH more.

In regard to the 'helpers' (i.e., Internet funder pals), circus great P.T. Barnum once said "Don't worry ... there's a sucker born every minute!" [/QUOTE]

Ah well....my investigation into your infected posts leads me to the "ignore" function. Adios!
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This was once a good thread but now it just annoying.
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This was once a good thread but now it just annoying.
Because of one selfish, jealous (all about me) guy who can't afford a boat, a TV or giving to those who entertain him.
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I like some episodes of some and not so much of others...depends what I am wanting to see. Aside from Delos, my top 3 are Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose (no patron..yet), Sailboat Story and Sailing RAN.

I tend to be drawn by the more informational episodes and not so much the island tours because I would like to experience those for myself.

Just my 2 cents

As far as the contributions..who cares!!! Donate or don't, it's quite simple. Watch or don't, it's easy to click on something else. And anyone who has preconceived notions about why some are on patron or asking to have you buy them a beer...shame on ya! Especially if you don't personally know them and why they are doing what they do. Do you like to be judged on a portion of your life? Probably not. Get over it and just do you! Would probably buy any of you on here a beer if I ran into ya so lighten up and at least try to keep the complaining about what you think others motives are private. I don't think it's very nice.

We will be doing some stuff for family when we are out there and if someone wants to buy us a drink, we probably wouldn't turn it down. We will not be married to putting out content for profit, too time consuming. If it can't be shot on the iPhone or GoPro, it probably won't happen. We do not have any amazing talents and we don't look good in a bikini and speedo. But then again, I've also learned to never say never.

I guess you got my 5 cents instead of my 2!
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Guys.

The mods have resolved some ongoing issues with this thread. It is Ok to continue now in a positive manner.

Thank you. I don't dispute that some of the YouTube sailing videos are of lower quality and some some more time asking for money (so it seems) than talking about sailing. I believe there are quality producers of YouTube material and have contributed in a small way to a few of them. Others I simply watch for fun cause I like the people or the boats. With few exceptions, they usually bore me after a while or stop posting and I stop watching. But Delos, Ran Sailing and Gone with the Wynn continue to hold my interest.
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Gentle people.

Tired as I am, (There is a life outside of CF I have since discovered) The mods wish to bring to your attention a few things to make life on CF more amenable.

We have a be nice rule. This includes being generous of spirit in NOT labeling people a troll. Its time to stop. Sometime personal opinion drives a person to affix the label to another based solely on the topic not to the liking of the name caller.

Just because you can, does mean that you should.

Trolling behavior needs to be reported to the MOD team. Sometimes we have seen the problem and ARE discussing it and sometimes we are putting out fires elsewhere. In any case, name calling is 'Not nice'.

We have been aware that this thread has had a heavy influence from a singular viewpoint, and we have had to balance that with a members right to have a viewpoint despite not being the popular one. We as the MOD team keep order until the rules of CF are broken and then we act swiftly and decisively.

Each member must carry their own load as far as behavior goes, and the participants on this thread need to recognise their involvement with the name calling. STOP IT.

This thread has been acted upon decisively and with a firm decision made. All bad feeling and worry about having your comments hijacked can now be put aside. It wont happen.

I will go through the thread and remove posts related to 'Trolls' as it does not need to be here. I will miss some because Im tired but in the main will be gone. I will not inform you in PM, take it that if your thread was removed, it was because of this matter.

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