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Old 07-09-2020, 19:01   #151
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Re: Using a generator while on the hook?

Personally Iíd like to listen to Marilyn Manson at concert level till my 1am bedtime but Iím pretty sure no one else, or not many others, would care to partake.
Not doing so is not going to kill or harm me and I find it no impact if I donít. But if someone fires up CW then all bets are off.
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Hey, Dockhead, caould you ranslate the French please? "Honi soit qui mal y pense." [Probably misspelled, from an old Nevil Shute novel.]
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Hey, Tarian; a] History gives up stories of folks who gave themselves CO posining with their generators. Seen stories for four decades on this. b] No one is complaining about the guy with the diesel genset mounted in a "quiet box". OBVIOUSLY these folks are talking about the noisemaker. c] LEARN SPELLING AND PUNCTUATION. Your posting indicates either ignorance [you don't know better] or laziness [you couldn't be bothered to check]. d] "Self-righteous gits"? My, how arrogant of you. Considering you can't even spell properly... Solar works. If you need AC you're in the wrong anchorage. Just sayin...
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Pretty simple, we all just need to respect others, and a loud generator absolutely does effect the evening sleep time for others in the anchorage.

If the generator is quiet and no problem, then no big deal.

The self important righteous are those with the loud generators rumbling away all night long showing absolutely no respect for others .

I do l like the considerate skippers who have those quiet generators, excellent idea.

Most of our international sailing has been in Australia , the south pacific and caribbean, it is warm. We settle for sleeping in the buff, opening the overhead hatch, for air circulation, and maybe turn on the small fans next to the berth. No top bed covers are needed and no generator.

Most people quiet down about 10 pm, and get some R and R, for the next days adventures, activities, snorkeling, swimming, diving, sailing and partying down.

Never had the opportunity to sail Scotland, but we have, on two separate flying vacations to Ireland, skippered motor vessels up the River Shannon from Portumna, up past Carrick on Shannon. Both trips on the River were for a couple of weeks. Outstanding !

Ireland and the Irish people were fantastic, loved every minute, and never had a
problem. We had a marvelous time, and never a complaint . It was all good, peaceful marinas, sun, rain, cold, castles, pubs, hiking ashore, beautiful scenery, and made friends easily.

Heard narry a generator .

We wore layers to keep us warm and dry, and when ashore at the pubs, we hung up our jackets, ordered HOT WHISKEY , talked story with the fun local rascals, sang trad songs, and had a great time .

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Quiet anchorages are most appreciated



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Old 08-09-2020, 05:42   #155
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It's nice that you can apply your standards to other people, but other people can't apply theirs to you.
Not my standards. USCG, ABYC and probably several other marine standards organizations. Quite amazing how some people think they have the "right" to tell others when and where they can run their genset when they, themselves, don't even have a marine-approved unit onboard. So who is it that's not following the standards? If you anchor next to me and proceed to run a portable generator on your boat I'll tell you to leave because I don't want a floating shock and fire hazard by my boat.
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Not my standards. USCG, ABYC and probably several other marine standards organizations. Quite amazing how some people think they have the "right" to tell others when and where they can run their genset when they, themselves, don't even have a marine-approved unit onboard. So who is it that's not following the standards? If you anchor next to me and proceed to run a portable generator on your boat I'll tell you to leave because I don't want a floating shock and fire hazard by my boat.
Shock hazard?

I’ll maybe give you a fire hazard in comparison to marine generators if the generator near you has a carburetor, but to assume an air cooled generator is by default, incorrectly installed is a bit of a stretch.

A portable generator can be installed to ABYC and USCG standards by the way.
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Shock hazard?

Iíll maybe give you a fire hazard in comparison to marine generators if the generator near you has a carburetor, but to assume an air cooled generator is by default, incorrectly installed is a bit of a stretch.

A portable generator can be installed to ABYC and USCG standards by the way.
No, it can't. Find me a marine surveyor that will approve it.

Does your little inverter genset have a bonded neutral? Every one I've ever seen is floating neutral. The shore power panel in your boat does not have bonded neutral either. Floating neutral is a shock hazard on a boat. Check your little Honda EU-series, it has 60 v per leg, 120V phase to phase. That is not a marine-legal unit.
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No, it can't. Find me a marine surveyor that will approve it.

Does your little inverter genset have a bonded neutral? Every one I've ever seen is floating neutral. The shore power panel in your boat does not have bonded neutral either. Floating neutral is a shock hazard on a boat. Check your little Honda EU-series, it has 60 v per leg, 120V phase to phase. That is not a marine-legal unit.
Uh... I donít have a ďlittle Honda EU seriesĒ generator. Contrary to popular opinion, I think theyíre junk.

Yes, my neutral is bonded. It doesnít take a genius to bond the floating neutral.

However, find me a single ABYC or USCG regulation prohibiting the installation of an air cooled generator that is small enough and light enough to be a portable.

You canít.
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So... If I can't spend $5,000+ on a genset with sound enclosure and below waterline exhaust then which portable generator should I get to be considerant and respectful to others? The Honda is sayed to be quietest, is there a noise difference if it is run on propane?

The sound level will be the same with generators running on propane. The only difference is running on propane the generator will be slightly "de-rated" meaning that a generator normally capable of putting out say 2000 watts continuous may now only put out 1800 watts. (numbers are estimates). Also, propane gennys go through a LOT of propane!
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First time I've heard that a 'portable' generator doesn't meet standards. Well, probably because it is portable? Not fixed in one place.
I happen to like my little Honda 2000. Can talk in the cockpit whilst it runs.
Only complaint was after a power outage after a storm. Fleea came up and said I shouldn't run it inthe marina. Then he asked for an extension cord.
Now about those fun loving fools who salom race around an anchorage with those jetskis ...
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Air cooled generators are not quiet on exhaust side which is what everyone faces out. I just listened to one this weekend on a stern platform at least 200 yards away. Very loud. They also are not marine compliant or necessarily safe though widely used. I feel if you are to run a genset in a busy harbor or anchorage it should be a properly installed one. Or point the noisy exhaust pipe back toward your cockpit

Just for clarification, when you state "marine compliant" are you referencing a specific standard, like ABYC Standards, NEC, or some such? Are you just voicing an opinion regarding air cooled generators? I AM aware of specific requirements for permanently installed generators in boats, but the term marine compliant eludes me! Thanks in advance for helping me to further understand this!
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Hey, Tarian; a] History gives up stories of folks who gave themselves CO posining with their generators. Seen stories for four decades on this. b] No one is complaining about the guy with the diesel genset mounted in a "quiet box". OBVIOUSLY these folks are talking about the noisemaker. c] LEARN SPELLING AND PUNCTUATION. Your posting indicates either ignorance [you don't know better] or laziness [you couldn't be bothered to check]. d] "Self-righteous gits"? My, how arrogant of you. Considering you can't even spell properly... Solar works. If you need AC you're in the wrong anchorage. Just sayin...

Actually, it's spelled POISONING . . . just sayin'!


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Yes, my neutral is bonded. It doesnít take a genius to bond the floating neutral.
Floating neutral systems are split-phase.

In a residential or commercial electrical service governed by NEC, itís common practice for the AC safety grounding conductor bus to be connected to the neutral bus. While this practice is fine on land, it most certainly does not work aboard a boat.

Shore power connections carry the bond ashore, never on the boat.

Generator connections on the boat are part of a much larger bonding system, which includes the DC negative and a transfer switch, usually in the form of an inverter.

Because a boat floats in a conductive medium (water), interconnecting the green and white wires aboard allows current returning to its source through three paths, the neutral, the now-connected green wire, and the water via bonded underwater metal hardware. You just wired yourself up a floating shock hazard. You might not feel it on your boat, but pull up alongside another boat and touch the bonded railings on the other boat. The difference in potential will lay you right out on the deck.

Measure the current leakage thru the water on your hacked portable system. It only takes 500 milliamps at a potential of 60V to kill a human.

Portables are designed for ashore for construction sites or camping where you have a high-resistance earth ground, and that's what the grounding lug is for on the genset. Water does not provide a high-resistance ground. You are not getting close to my steel-hull boat with your DIY hacked portable generator system on your boat. You are a hazard. Period.

I'd invite anybody to point out even one marine standards outfit that approves their use on boats.
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...Ireland and the Irish people were fantastic, loved every minute, and never had a
problem. We had a marvelous time, and never a complaint . It was all good, peaceful marinas, sun, rain, cold, castles, pubs, hiking ashore, beautiful scenery, and made friends easily.

Heard narry a generator.


The Irish are so civilized . I think a few here should go spend more time with my gene pool. Or just come to Newfoundland where basic civility and caring for others remains the norm.
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Floating neutral systems are split-phase.

In a residential or commercial electrical service governed by NEC, it’s common practice for the AC safety grounding conductor bus to be connected to the neutral bus. While this practice is fine on land, it most certainly does not work aboard a boat.

Shore power connections carry the bond ashore, never on the boat.

Generator connections on the boat are part of a much larger bonding system, which includes the DC negative and a transfer switch, usually in the form of an inverter.

Because a boat floats in a conductive medium (water), interconnecting the green and white wires aboard allows current returning to its source through three paths, the neutral, the now-connected green wire, and the water via bonded underwater metal hardware. You just wired yourself up a floating shock hazard. You might not feel it on your boat, but pull up alongside another boat and touch the bonded railings on the other boat. The difference in potential will lay you right out on the deck.

Measure the current leakage thru the water on your hacked portable system. It only takes 500 milliamps at a potential of 60V to kill a human.

Portables are designed for ashore for construction sites or camping where you have a high-resistance earth ground, and that's what the grounding lug is for on the genset. Water does not provide a high-resistance ground. You are not getting close to my steel-hull boat with your DIY hacked portable generator system on your boat. You are a hazard. Period.

I'd invite anybody to point out even one marine standards outfit that approves their use on boats.
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https://www.microair.net/products/ge...12272654155860


Also, I still don’t understand why you don’t think someone can’t wire a portable generator correctly, or why you think your water cooled generator is somehow magically different. Is there a magical wire running ashore to bond your neutral? Lol

Note: I don’t have ANY metal below the waterline or a Honda EU series generator. Your anger is quite misplaced. Lol

Your boat has SIGNIFICANTLY hight chances of shocking me than mine of shocking you. The only way I can shock you is if I drop an electric appliance overboard by mistake. You could have any number of wiring problems providing stray current through your below the waterline metals.

In fact, your entire hull is a hazard. Steel?? One wire chafing through is all it takes.

Take your rage elsewhere. You have no clue what you’re talking about in comparing my boat to yours.
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