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Old 11-02-2020, 13:34   #106
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An RV. Tents don’t have tires nor are they self propelled.
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An RV. Tents don’t have tires nor are they self propelled.
My tent became self-propelled last weekend ... the rocks I had it tied down to weren't heavy enough to hold it in the wind gusts. Usually pitching a tent down-wind of the campfire is a bad idea, turned out to be a good thing this time!
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I have fixed housing. Well except when the shackle came apart in a squall a couple of weeks ago. But I recovered quickly and even got the anchor back.

Now if you are hit by a tornado, flood or riot your chances aren’t so good.
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An RV. Tents don’t have tires nor are they self propelled.


Oh, so it's the wheels that make it an RV instead of a tent.
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Oh, so it's the wheels that make it an RV instead of a tent.
Yep, that would be parked in the RV section of the park, not the tenting ground. They are also sold by RV dealers and promoted at RV shows. As evidenced by their name: tent campers. In fact the newest versions have folding solid sides like giant origami!
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Nice VW bus!
Looks kind of familiar...
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It's a camper-van, used to have one. Looks cherry. Used to mostly go to USFS "campgrounds". They provided pit latrines. We provided the rest of the minimal amenities. Most of us are aware that people didn't use to bathe as much as Americans presently do.....and they had pretty good immune systems. We may actually be trying to be too clean for our own good. How odd. In our days of tent and van camping, if we were out long enough[ nah, you don't really want to know how long that is], we'd check into a motel if we required amenities, but usually made it home without.

So part of it is what you like, and part of it is what you don't want to buy or think.

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I'd love to find one in good shape (and not too expensive ). I've been looking long and hard at all sorts of camper vans, including build-outs of standard cargo vans and trailers. They look like a great way to travel, and to live.
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I'd love to find one in good shape (and not too expensive ). I've been looking long and hard at all sorts of camper vans, including build-outs of standard cargo vans and trailers. They look like a great way to travel, and to live.
They are cool looking! I'm like you, if I could find one at the right price, I'd probably grab it.
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I'd love to find one in good shape (and not too expensive ). I've been looking long and hard at all sorts of camper vans, including build-outs of standard cargo vans and trailers. They look like a great way to travel, and to live.


When I bought mine brand new in 1971 it cost $2300 US including the tent that attached to the sliding door. Had it for 15 years. Carried a 14 ft Dolphin SR sailboat on the roof. That was our cruiser then.
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When I bought mine brand new in 1971 it cost $2300 US including the tent that attached to the sliding door. Had it for 15 years. Carried a 14 ft Dolphin SR sailboat on the roof. That was our cruiser then.

That was a lot of money back then. And the few that are still around, and in good condition, are still out of my price range .
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I'd love to find [a VW Westfalia] in good shape (and not too expensive ). I've been looking long and hard at all sorts of camper vans, including build-outs of standard cargo vans and trailers. They look like a great way to travel, and to live.
Many of our friends, on the cusp of, or just into retirement, have bought little trailers - eg the cute teardrop ones - for doing some travelling. But they're like CDN$ 30k new... above our pay grade.

I too have been thinking a lot about doing a van conversion. Something we can be self-sufficient in, but also tow the little boat with. I have this idyllic vision of travelling to many decent-sized inland lakes, and splitting our time between sleeping ashore and on mini-cruises in new areas.

So far I've been considering something like a used Sienna van with just the minimal additions for sleeping, or a (used) std commercial van and put in a more elaborate interior.
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While the side discussion has been interesting we really don’t need to debate the OPs comment much since the definition of substandard is clear and easily accessible. Not many of our cruising boats would fall into this definition and if they did would probably be talked about in the other thread on derelict boats

Federal preference: Substandard housing.
(a) When unit is substandard. (See § 5.415(a)(2) and (c)(2)(ii) for applicability of this section to the Section 8 Certificate/Voucher, Project-Based Certificate, Moderate Rehabilitation programs and the public housing program.) A unit is substandard if it:
(1) Is dilapidated;
(2) Does not have operable indoor plumbing;
(3) Does not have a usable flush toilet inside the unit for the exclusive use of a family;
(4) Does not have a usable bathtub or shower inside the unit for the exclusive use of a family;
(5) Does not have electricity, or has inadequate or unsafe electrical service;
(6) Does not have a safe or adequate source of heat;
(7) Should, but does not, have a kitchen; or
(8) Has been declared unfit for habitation by an agency or unit of government.
(b) Other definitions—(1) Dilapidated unit. A housing unit is dilapidated if:
(i) The unit does not provide safe and adequate shelter, and in its present condition endangers the health, safety, or well-being of a family; or
(ii) The unit has one or more critical defects, or a combination of intermediate defects in sufficient number or extent to require considerable repair or rebuilding. The defects may involve original construction, or they may result from continued neglect or lack of repair or from serious damage to the structure.
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