Substandard Housing

[sailorboy1]

Originally Posted by Davy J

I told you, you should stay for the fun.............

I figure the thread is one complaint away about the current rants from being locked.

[smj]

Originally Posted by Davy J

Sadly, I don't have one. I do know that the government's involvement will not be good.



I also think that the problem will only get worse. As many old boats value gets close to zero, some people will view them as cheap housing. And marina prices only keep going up. Anchorages will only get more junkers and many of those will end up as official derelicts.

And that’s why I gave up on the anchoring rights debate 20 years ago. The laws are on the books to take care of the problems yet people want to introduce new laws as the old laws aren’t being upheld.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Davy J

Ok, Sailorboy1, I'm with you and officially out......... There's people in here that think that 0bama had something to do with the US recovery..........

It was meant to be a joke, but if you have a ruler handy...

Originally Posted by letsgetsailing3

Sure. Capitalism is the worst economic system, except for all the others.

And in spite of it being brought up at pretty much every campaign rally, I bet there aren't all that many people with three jobs.

How many people aren't making a living wage? I'm guessing that number is pretty low, and there are plenty of government programs in place already designed to support those people. The fact is that low unemployment is a good thing.

I'm a believer in capitalism too, just not as naively as some. Low unemployment is better than high unemployment.... but crap jobs are not as good as careers. Today's young do not have as good prospects as we did at their age.

[Woodland Hills]

Originally Posted by letsgetsailing3

Have ya SEEN California? There are plenty of loose marbles out there.

Originally Posted by letsgetsailing3

Oh, the weather there is great and it's absolutely beautiful.

But there are lots of loose marbles there. And a government that has no problem taking your freedoms and taxing you for the privilege.

I had more freedom in California than in Florida. I could go down to the store and buy legal cannabis. I could grow and smoke it at home without fearing arrest. I can’t do that here. I don’t drink alcohol and I see no good reason I cannot smoke a bit of weed to relax. But since it’s illegal here I don’t, so I suppose that is a good reason. But it makes no sense to me. So tell me again about being free?

Freedom to own firearms? I had a well equipped battery of long and handguns including an SKS and FN-FAL and lots of ammunition. I was free to drive out into the desert or the hills and blast away to my hearts content.

Taxes? Sure I paid taxes, doesn’t bother me a bit: they bought me decent schools, free highways, amazing state parks, good policing, clean air and water and a world class university and state college system. I also had the freedom to go off roading in thousands of miles of open desert or on hundreds of miles of mountain trails as well as miles of mountain bike trails on city and state land just yards from my house.

[sailorboy1]

[Mike OReilly]

I can hardly wait for that invisible hand to start raising real wages. Hasn't happened for over forty years now, but I bet if we just pray to our god of free market capitalism, and sacrifice a few more generations of people, that he/she/it will eventually bring forth the promised bounty.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...d-for-decades/




Wage growth and middle class prosperity didn't happen by accident. It happened through concerted social action and government policy. And the opposite is also true. Wage stagnation, and the massive shift of wealth from the middle class to the ultra-rich also didn't happen by accident. It was clear policy choices which drove this change.

We can make other choices. Indeed, other highly successful countries HAVE made other choices.

[AKA-None]

Substandard housing doesn’t meat livability requirements. It lets the weather in, has mold and vermin, and it’s unsanitary. It’s not the same as it not being neat and tidy alone. It can exist in a house, rv, or boat.

[valhalla360]

Originally Posted by sailorboy1

10 pages of replies and no one appears to able to understand key part in post #1

1 person doesn't understand...it's probably them.
2 people don't understand...it might be them.

At over 200 posts and no one understands...it's probably you.

[valhalla360]

Originally Posted by LauraleeG

The nature and definition of “ stereotype” is lumpin everyone in the same bucket because of one or two examples.

Um...no.

A steriotype is when the majority (or at least a large percentage) fit into the same bucket. It's really only a bad thing if you see that someone doesn't fit in the bucket but you stick them in anyway.

A gazelle on the African Savannah stereotypes that a passing lion wants to eat them...even though he doesn't know if the lion just ate a full zebra...but the ones afraid to stereotype and who go up and ask the lion if they just ate don't last too long.

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

I'd love to find one in good shape (and not too expensive ). I've been looking long and hard at all sorts of camper vans, including build-outs of standard cargo vans and trailers. They look like a great way to travel, and to live.

I had one of those. I had some great times in it but it's one step only above sleeping rough.



I think you would be more comfortable in something a little more modern.

[valhalla360]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Here's a thought; since most of these people are poor, how about increasing supports and moving the minimum wage to a living wage? That would go a long way to addressing the "scum," both on sea and on land.

Oh wait ... that's way to hard. Much easier to tighten various vagrancy laws, and send the police in to crack some heads. Push them out so we can't see them. And then all of us on the right side of the economic fence can rest easier, not having to think about those scum.

As long as you are the one giving away the free money...go for it.

[valhalla360]

Originally Posted by Woodland Hills

All of this would simply be a return to the Good Old Days of the 1950’s when the economy seemed to work for the many and not the few. I do not recall anyone calling Dwight Eisenhower and Harry Truman commies nor does anyone think that 1950’s America was a socialist hellhole. Quite the opposite, in fact......

Ah yes, the good old days when every other industrialized country in the world was totally destroyed and US companies couldn't hire enough workers so wages and benefits were driven up.

No thanks, I don't want to see WWIII in order to bring back the glory days.

[valhalla360]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

I certainly wouldn't pretend to know the state of affairs down your way. I do know that some areas become so popular with visitors and new comers that they price the locals out of their own home markets. Sometimes the people who work in an area, especially in the service sectors, can't even afford to live where they work.

This is where the notion of the living wage comes in. It's not just a minimum wage. It's reflects the actual cost of living in a specific area.

Why govt mandates? The example had entry level low skill positions making $18/hr...the market is reacting and solving the issue. Are you going to mandate $50/hr for a fast food worker in the keys? All that will do is distort the market even more and create new issues.

Most of these "poor" folks working in the keys, choose to do it because they want to live there. They could work in other areas for far less but with a better standard of living.

[valhalla360]

Originally Posted by Woodland Hills

How many decades should we wait for the invisible hand? We have very low, historically low, rates of unionization now and the jobs went overseas anyway. Now the jobs that can’t be sent away don’t pay a living wage anymore since management have all the power. How does that help working families?
As the saying goes: “There’s lots of jobs, I know people with 3 of them.”

Actually, the offshoring of jobs has largely slowed down and most of the jobs moving are from the legacy unionized industries (with the exception of govt union jobs).

[valhalla360]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

I can hardly wait for that invisible hand to start raising real wages. Hasn't happened for over forty years now, but I bet if we just pray to our god of free market capitalism, and sacrifice a few more generations of people, that he/she/it will eventually bring forth the promised bounty.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...d-for-decades/




Wage growth and middle class prosperity didn't happen by accident. It happened through concerted social action and government policy. And the opposite is also true. Wage stagnation, and the massive shift of wealth from the middle class to the ultra-rich also didn't happen by accident. It was clear policy choices which drove this change.

We can make other choices. Indeed, other highly successful countries HAVE made other choices.

You do realize in a healthy economy, wages adjusted for inflation stay roughly the same...which is exactly what your chart shows.

And no it wasn't social action or govt policy that created the post WWII boom in wages.