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Old 21-02-2020, 09:04   #166
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What. Ever. I am happiest on my boat.
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Old 21-02-2020, 09:07   #167
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And I agree. It's interesting to see the evolution of "camping." I guess it parallels the evolution of boating, but it seems even more extreme. These days you can get a fancy Class A bus that, with all the sliders and whatnot, turns out to have more floor space than any home I ever owned.

We already covered this.
Can we get any more anal about this...

"Camping" is in quotes for exactly this reason. It's not camping. It's what the marketers (and apparently you) are now trying to redefine camping to be, which was the point of the post you just dug out.

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What. Ever. I am happiest on my boat.
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Old 21-02-2020, 09:15   #168
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Of the yacht owners I have known, they never buy more than three. The first one is too small. The second one is bigger and affordable. The third one is a large yacht they find out that it costs too much to run. And it is sold.

[slight derail along the same lines]

Every year in August, we get together with other owners of the same boat and trailer to different spots for a long weekend together. Staying on the boats, of course. We've had as many as 11 boats come out some years, and this usually attracts attention at the launch ramp or marina.

Almost always, we meet a few old guys who look at our boats wistfully, then tell us one of two tales: they had a small boat similar to ours and they regret getting rid of it, or they had a larger boat but got rid of it because they weren't using it enough, or the hassle/expense became too much.

... just a commentary on getting the most out of your boating time. Of course depending on what you enjoy about it - the on-the-water time, with a few overnights or short cruises, or the nomadic lifestyle in a floating cottage. Or somewhere in between.

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Old 21-02-2020, 09:23   #169
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I don't think I agree on those general terms.

If your boat has a hot shower, a watermaker, heating, a fridge, 110v or 220v electrics, jeeezz sometimes even air conditioning, I simply fail to see the camping element. Same standarts as a wealthy home on solid ground.

There are small boats where I'd agree it's more like camping, but in many cases it's not camping at all. It's just a different way of living.
Everything you mention is living in substandard housing in the USA. Including phone, internet, one car, heat and AC , one credit card, and it's all free.
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Old 21-02-2020, 09:29   #170
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Can we get any more anal about this...
It's like any other topic here from your perspective. You're right, and everybody else is wrong. You're entitled to an opinion, but it doesn't make it fact.

Boating and RVing are very similar in nature. And RVs are basically camping in a vehicle. So is boating. It's a perspective thing.

There is nothing wrong with living closer to nature. Mobility is glorious. But we don't have to change the nature of it to make it OK.
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Old 21-02-2020, 09:42   #171
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Read an interesting phase the other day on some boating forum that the more i thought about the more i agreed with.

Unless you are underway or actively cruising, living on a boat is just living in substandard housing.

I know that here in Florida the State considers people living on a boat as being homeless.
A real roof over your head as opposed to a tent or nothing, is far superior and I wouldn't consider that being homeless. I've seen far worse in trailer parks.
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Old 21-02-2020, 09:43   #172
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My sailing yacht is nothing like camping.
Two staterooms with full heads.
Full galley including a microwave oven.
Ducts for heating.
Large salon.
Beautiful teak and holly interior.

Not as big as a house but pretty nice.
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Old 21-02-2020, 09:45   #173
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My sailing yacht is nothing like camping.
Two staterooms with full heads.
Full galley including a microwave oven.
Ducts for heating.
Large salon.
Beautiful teak and holly interior.

Not as big as a house but pretty nice.
So, a lot like an RV?

A nice RV is still an RV. A nice boat is still a boat.

A microwave oven makes it "luxury"?
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A microwave oven makes it "luxury"?

Depends. Is it stainless steel, or just plastic & paint?
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Old 21-02-2020, 10:00   #175
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As humans, we make up artificial constructs and then self determine the importance of those constructs/ labels. In this example, the sub 35 foot boat is has been labeled no good compared to the two story motor yacht, which is less good than the 150 foot yacht with crew.

What if the discussion became those folks on that 35 foot boat are having a great time and living the life they want? Or, the people who own the 150 foot boat must be very successful, we are happy for them.

We must strive to understand our true nature, then contentment will follow (santosha).

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Old 21-02-2020, 10:10   #176
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There are four issues at play that deflect from the original post
1) comparing living on a boat to camping
2) comparing camping to rving
3) comparing living on a boat to living in an RV
4) giving the value judgement that living on a boat is substandard housing

I think the waters get very muddy when you mix all the issues together.

Having a microwave, air conditioning, heating and running water are luxuries for a big part of the worlds population. In First world countries we just view them as essentials.
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Old 21-02-2020, 10:21   #177
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Depends. Is it stainless steel, or just plastic & paint?
Hahah touche’
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As humans, we make up artificial constructs and then self determine the importance of those constructs/ labels. In this example, the sub 35 foot boat is has been labeled no good compared to the two story motor yacht, which is less good than the 150 foot yacht with crew.

What if the discussion became those folks on that 35 foot boat are having a great time and living the life they want? Or, the people who own the 150 foot boat must be very successful, we are happy for them.

We must strive to understand our true nature, then contentment will follow (santosha).

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IMHO, this is the most relevant post in this thread.

The real point here isn't how to define camping, which can certainly vary based on your agenda.

The real point is that this discussion all comes down to labels. Some people seem awfully offended if their lifestyle is labeled as "camping". But is there anything wrong with a camping lifestyle? If someone chooses to live in their car or camper van, or RV, is that OK? If your boat has a holding tank, is your boat a different class of vessel than one with a port-a-potty?

The crux of the discussion: Is your importance related to the value of the structure you live in? I mean, if you are content in your abode, isn't that what's important? Or do you have to convince someone else that the choices you make are better than theirs?

Do humans have a basic need for a class system?

The more important question, of course, is whether you have a coastal cruiser or a bluewater boat!
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Old 21-02-2020, 10:32   #179
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“Do humans have a basic need for a class system “
History would suggest the answer is, with a few exceptions; yep!
And let’s not even THINK about gender inequalities within that class system...mwhahahaha
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Whatever you want to call it, life on any cruising-level boat is quite comfortable. Many boats are very luxurious -- just like RVs. No one I know, outside of a few on these interwebs, would call this "substandard," and certainly not camping.

I do think most people in our societies view folks who live on boats (or RVs for that matter) as unusual, and perhaps odd. And that's probably a good thing ... keeps the anchorages less cluttered .
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