Selbstgenügsamkeit (self-sufficiency in English) is asking for a bit much :-) PARTICULARLY if you're gonna go ploughing through thin ice. It appears to me that you are asking for something you just will never get on a budget of “100K – 150K” What kind of money are you talking? US$? DDK? DMs? Euros?
So here is, ad seriatim
, a brief reply to each of your points:
“the largest 2 up boat Under 20m That we Are able to handle With ease.”
A 20M (65 foot) sail boat is not difficult to handle for two COMPETENT people PROVIDED it is PROPERLY rigged. I can do it singlehanded, but it requires a degree of caution and forehandedness that novices do not generally have. If you are talking powerboat or MS in power mode, there really isn't anything to the BOAT HANDLING, particularly on passage
. Seamanship is a kettle of fish
of a different colour!
“A heavy Ship that will plow through thin ICE as If it were nothing”
Why would you want to do that? Just where are you going to go? If you are going to be hanging out in the Baltic
, why plan for something that you will not be encountering? If you are thinking of Svalbard, maybe you are getting a little ahead of yourself. I doubt that you'll be getting to Queen Maud Land for many a year.
“ A Tank With outmost comfort possible in heavy seas and strom”
Comfort in heavy going has nothing to do with being a “tank”. It has to do with some fundamental design parameters that you will learn about if you read Skeene's
, and with the interior
arrangements of the vessel. Physical strength and integrity obviously are also important, but as you learn more about yacht design and construction you'll begin to understand how that's achieved, and that steel
construction is not necessarily an advantage.
“ unsinkable If capaized”
There is NO boat that is “unsinkable if capsized”. Even if there were, you would not live long aboard it once you are butt over teakettle, so this desideratum is entirely spurious. You will want to consider carefully just what it is that capsizes boats. Read Miles and Beryl Smeeton's Once is Enough
. And talk to some people here who have "seen the elephant".
“a nobrainer when hitting trees floating With 7kn”
Why would you hit “trees floating with 7kn”? I sail in waters that are infested with floating logs
. I've never hit a log.
“a spacy... Not luxuriös... Liveaboard
With large bunkers for outmost autarky”
“Autarky” depends on having STORAGE
space not on having a “spacy live aboard”. A certain catering to bodily comfort is obviously required, but that is really the least of it if it is Selbstgenügsamkeit you are after. There is no reason you shouldn't have a comfy, spacious double bunk conducive to the “maintenance of relationships” while you are in harbour or on the hook. But never forget that comfort while you are ON PASSAGE
demands a single bunk no wider than 700mm and fitted with a lee-cloth to keep your dreams from being interrupted by your hitting the deck
sole with enuff force to do you a serious injury :-)!
“Bunkers” (tanks) are NEVER sufficient — except that they can take space away from other things that may be MORE necessary :-)! You will find that diesels, of the size that can be in question here, use about 2 litres per ten horsepower per hour. So given that you have a solid voyage plan in mind, and know your available horsepower, you can now work
out just exactly how much fuel
you'll need to carry.
“- strong engine
for any Kind of Situation”
All modern engines are “strong”, perhaps with the exception of the “marinized” engine BMW put out many years ago. Again, Skeene's
will teach you something about the horsepower required for various displacements. In English
as in German it is necessary to distinguish between the concepts of “powerful” and “durable”. The former is a function of selection, the latter a function of design and manufacture.
“After STUDIYING some Yacht Design i came up With 15m steel Ketch With long keel
, piilothouse and two Helms”
Yes, that is fine :-) While not fitted with a pilot house in their original configuration, you may want to contemplate a Colin Archer type of hull
and rig. Heavy. Ketch rig. Designed to handle the weather (and the ice) off the coast of Norway
. Ancient design. By one of the best. And never forget that Neptune's propensity for poking you with his trident is just the same now as it was in Colin Archer's time!
"BUT my Budget... 100k - 150k leads me to old boats which Are mostly motorsailers which i assume to sail Too terrible..?"
Bear in mind that crossing oceans in small boats under power is a pain, not the kind of thing sensible men
do except on a dare. Or for handsome wage. It takes SAIL to do so satisfactorily, so MSs are not, in my opinion, the way to go. But then, when it comes down to it, the vessel I prefer for crossing oceans is the Airbus 320 :-)!
It sounds as if you might like to spend a few bux on signing up for a "Crooze'n'Learn" job. The Hanse factory is in Greifswald, I believe, so I'd imagine there is also a sailing school
. Spend a few Euros with them before you commit to the ownership of a boat of your own :-)!