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Old 22-02-2018, 20:08   #466
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Re: Single Women Living Aboard and Cruising... an honest look

An act of communication requires one party to formulate a way to express a concept via an imperfect medium - text or speech.
The other party receives the data in that medium, and develops an understanding based on that imperfect representation of the original parties concept.


For anyone to claim that the lack of perfect understanding that results from this process lies can be laid solely at the feet of either the giver or receiver, is naive at best, and condescending at worst.


If I say something, and find that multiple people have misunderstood my meaning, I take it upon myself to examine whether I could have expressed the concept more eloquently or appropriately. If I tried to quote the arguments of Jean Piaget to convince my children of something, it would not be their fault that they didn't accurately understand the concept I was presenting. It would be mine.

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Now, I am not intending this as an attack, but the timing of the question about what women do when they need to urinate really put me off. Why it put me off is related to how I was conditioned as a girl child, and is personal, but may not be unique. However, I do not mind answering the question, and I, too, think the thread needs to move on. When I need to pee, I come below and use the head. I would not do this anywhere crowded, when I need to be on watch every second. If I were singlehanded, I'd be using an empty mayonnaise jar with a good lid.
Yeah and through the transmutation of base liquids into gold.
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Old 22-02-2018, 21:11   #468
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Zeehag, and everybody else,

I was one of two who tried quoting what you wrote that upset so many people, because I saw, or thought I saw that you had not meant that all men were pedophiles, rapists, and abusers. I would like to apologize, if you think I misquoted or misunderstood you.

I, personally, would prefer to let bygones be bygones here. We all take in our experiences, and they modify our perceptions; we are the product of how we've interacted with our life events. Our courage varies, particularly for introspection, which many are conditioned against.

I think any tricks the singlehand women sailors want to share on CF will be appreciated by the rest of the women, who may feel tentative about being singlehanders, and by the men, some of whom are in the same position. There's another thread going now, about the sleep issue. And if we don't have anything qualitatively different to offer to the men, then, maybe that means that as humans, we all have the same problems to solve for singlehanding.

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Re: Single Women Living Aboard and Cruising... an honest look

I realise my question was not fully explained regarding the call of nature.

I am one of those male solo sailors. My sailing in general is coastal and as such, Im am usually in fairly busy waters. I have my vessel set up in such a way, with food, beverages and everything I need so that I dont go below. I have been 19 hours in the cockpit with a bucket and the ability to let the liquid out over the side. (Centaur mono.)

In a Cat, I have a portapotti inside the door and have 360 degree visibility all around.

In the Uk, coastal waters are BUSY. I prefer to be on watch all the time for vessels and debris. Where I am now.. and where I sail in Spain, it can also be busy. I dont go offshore far enough to be able to have a clear RADAR to risk a toilet run as a solo.

It is an absolute luxury to sail with others..
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This an example of why Im reluctant to leave the cockpit.
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This an example of why Im reluctant to leave the cockpit.
Good screen shot. For those of you without AIS, remember that the screen shot does not show ALL boats, just those who generate AIS signals. It does not show the runabouts, the timber boats without AiS, etc. His actual boat density may be far greater than the screen shot shows. This is why we need plans for pottying.....as well as partying.

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Good screen shot. For those of you without AIS, remember that the screen shot does not show ALL boats, just those who generate AIS signals. It does not show the runabouts, the timber boats without AiS, etc. His actual boat density may be far greater than the screen shot shows. This is why we need plans for pottying.....as well as partying.

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Ive been an infrequent crosser from the UK to France. There are a steady stream of cargo ships in the Channel. I remember asking myself the first time, "how bad can it be?" and then went on to solo cross in a state of complete perspiration and anxiety. 'Have to cross at right angles' - yeah I get that but it means going between huge, large, massive tower blocks of container vessels and praying the engines keep working..

If I needed to go potty, I found I sweated it out instead. For the seasoned channel crossers, I see why few do it solo... Its nice to have someone with you screaming and crying just as loud.

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when are you folks going to QUIT ASSIGNING FEELINGS TO OTHERS just because they are in your head. get over yourselves.
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Great post zee and I always enjoy reading your posts.
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Great post zee and I always enjoy reading your posts.
Why would you applaud a poster who by the very sloppy, grammatically incorrect rambling style of critically weighted attacks, invokes at best confusion from the reader who does have feelings.

You can laugh, you can cry but I do not applaud poor communication
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Great post zee and I always enjoy reading your posts.
Ditto.. likewise.. never boring..
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Why would you applaud a poster who by the very sloppy, grammatically incorrect rambling style of critically weighted attacks, invokes at best confusion from the reader who does have feelings.

You can laugh, you can cry but I do not applaud poor communication
another shining example of inability to read written words.

these examples here also shine when out cruising as the curmudgeonly judgementalists.
most ladies out here stay away from these.
not trustworthy, therefore, not helpful nor treasured.
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is a personality issue, per myers briggs and many others.
not everyone is capable of getting along with everyone else. in person, i get along well with 2999 out of 3000 persons.
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I realise my question was not fully explained regarding the call of nature.

I am one of those male solo sailors. My sailing in general is coastal and as such, Im am usually in fairly busy waters. I have my vessel set up in such a way, with food, beverages and everything I need so that I dont go below. I have been 19 hours in the cockpit with a bucket and the ability to let the liquid out over the side. (Centaur mono.)

In a Cat, I have a portapotti inside the door and have 360 degree visibility all around.
Gee Weavis, if you sailed a slooow monohull rather then a fast cat, you would have plenty of time to go below...

Oh the central sf bay can get pretty busy too. So I try to not go below when things are too busy. Really I avoid the busy bits as much as possible. Though practicing heaving to sometimes helps....
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Re: Single Women Living Aboard and Cruising... an honest look

I have and always will enjoy co-existence in spite of who tries to disrupt it.
I enjoy the company of most everyone who is not mean spirited...
I can not and do not speak for others they have to live with who they are.

Peace, Love, Doves, Light shows, Crash pads, Sailboats,,,but Don't Tread on ME.


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, i get along well with 2999 out of 3000 persons.
proven
we counted them. all in triage.
have fun.
tri∑age....trēˈšZH/

noun....1.(in medical use) the assignment of degrees of urgency to wounds or illnesses to decide the order of treatment of a large number of patients or casualties.

verb....1.assign degrees of urgency to (wounded or ill patients).

Gee Zee,

If that is how you define non-judgemental and normal social interaction.... I stand corrected!

But don't you think that is a little bit controlling to use as a 'getting along' moment?


Seriously, we cannot but help to assign feelings to what we read and yes we can be mistaken.
BUT don't you think that if you write something that is misunderstood, the onus is on you to clarify, rather than attack?

Either way, I still love your posts and consider you part of our CF family.
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Why would you applaud a poster who by the very sloppy, grammatically incorrect rambling style of critically weighted attacks, invokes at best confusion from the reader who does have feelings.

You can laugh, you can cry but I do not applaud poor communication
Zee's just a very colorful personality here that isn't going to be changed.
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