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Old 24-10-2022, 06:08   #16
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Re: sail around the world, which boat?

The OP has more basic problems than which French yacht to buy, such as whether he can own property, whether he can leave the country, and whether he can take anything with him.

Read the recent BBC and Guardian articles about who has been arrested for sedition. Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai is serving a 14 month sentence and faces additional possible life terms. Under the new National Security Law, it carries a life in prison sentence. The "One Country, Two Systems" principle is dead.

It is relevant to his question, as this may be a way for him to leave and take a valuable asset with him that he can sell when he arrives somewhere else more civilized. Or it may just represent a way to leave. The authorities are turning people away at the airport. The OP may not be able to discuss these matters.
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Old 24-10-2022, 06:19   #17
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The OP has more basic problems than which French yacht to buy, such as whether he can own property, whether he can leave the country, and whether he can take anything with him.

Read the recent BBC and Guardian articles about who has been arrested for sedition. Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai is serving a 14 month sentence and faces additional possible life terms. Under the new National Security Law, it carries a life in prison sentence. The "One Country, Two Systems" principle is dead.

It is relevant to his question, as this may be a way for him to leave and take a valuable asset with him that he can sell when he arrives somewhere else more civilized. Or it may just represent a way to leave. The authorities are turning people away at the airport. The OP may not be able to discuss these matters.


Since he never broached the subject it’s not relevant nor are you aware of his personal circumstances. He asked for boat selection advice not political commentary or opinions.
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Old 24-10-2022, 06:35   #18
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The OP has more basic problems than which French yacht to buy, such as whether he can own property, whether he can leave the country, and whether he can take anything with him.

Read the recent BBC and Guardian articles about who has been arrested for sedition. Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai is serving a 14 month sentence and faces additional possible life terms. Under the new National Security Law, it carries a life in prison sentence. The "One Country, Two Systems" principle is dead.

It is relevant to his question, as this may be a way for him to leave and take a valuable asset with him that he can sell when he arrives somewhere else more civilized. Or it may just represent a way to leave. The authorities are turning people away at the airport. The OP may not be able to discuss these matters.
That would be like him telling you what to do with your state laws and taxes in Virginia. You don’t live there. He does. Why do you assume he’s an idiot? He knows what he’s doing I’m sure.

What kind of boat should he get?
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Old 24-10-2022, 06:46   #19
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we are cat folk so certainly support your plan to go that way

however personally we would not have any of the various cats that have the helm position stuck out on the sterns. horribly exposed to the weather. supporters will argue that the boat is in autopilot most of the time (and it is), so it doesn't matter...until you have to do a long pilotage into port...or you have bad weather and need to hand steer...etc

anyway it's a personal choice...but think hard about it
Coming from a aft cockpit monohull, I don't think he'll have the same issue with aft helms as you have. If well set-up, he'll probably feel more at home vs a raised helm position or looking through a cabin.
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Old 24-10-2022, 07:48   #20
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I would contact John Neal at Mahina consultants. https://mahina.com/consult/ He has years and miles of experience. His own favorite, which he uses on his expeditions, is the Hallberg Rasy. He wrote a lengthy analysis of what he wanted in a cruising yacht and why he settled on the Hallberg. If I were setting out again, he would be my first call.
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I would contact John Neal at Mahina consultants. https://mahina.com/consult/ He has years and miles of experience. His own favorite, which he uses on his expeditions, is the Hallberg Rasy. He wrote a lengthy analysis of what he wanted in a cruising yacht and why he settled on the Hallberg. If I were setting out again, he would be my first call.


The op has expressed a preference for a catamaran. He wanted pros and cons. Suggesting some venerable monohull is hardly appropriate.
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Old 24-10-2022, 09:53   #22
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That would be like him telling you what to do with your state laws and taxes in Virginia. You don’t live there.
So, China, a communist country ruled by an autocrat is the same as Virginia, one of the first English colonies and settlements not founded by religious zealots? Home of Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington.

A Virginian can buy and sell anything legal, without fear of forfeiture or seizure by the government. A Virginian can leave, travel, move to any other state or country. A Virginian can go to court, federal or state, without a concern that it will dictate to the orders of an autocrat. We don't put people in prison for reporting news stories that make the government look bad.

The Chinese no longer have those rights, if they ever did. Hong Kong is now subject to the Chinese system. Whether the OP can even leave China should be relevant to his purchase plans. If he can leave, he would be much safer if he first travelled to Japan or Australia, or some other free country before he gambles away several hundred thousand dollars on a purchase he may never be able to leave on, unless he sneaks out.

He already has a good boat, capable of blue water cruising. Perhaps, he should first find out if he can leave and go somewhere safe and financially secure. He should also find out if he can actually move funds out of China.
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So, China, a communist country ruled by an autocrat is the same as Virginia, one of the first English colonies and settlements not founded by religious zealots? Home of Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington.

A Virginian can buy and sell anything legal, without fear of forfeiture or seizure by the government. A Virginian can leave, travel, move to any other state or country. A Virginian can go to court, federal or state, without a concern that it will dictate to the orders of an autocrat. We don't put people in prison for reporting news stories that make the government look bad.

The Chinese no longer have those rights, if they ever did. Hong Kong is now subject to the Chinese system. Whether the OP can even leave China should be relevant to his purchase plans. If he can leave, he would be much safer if he first travelled to Japan or Australia, or some other free country before he gambles away several hundred thousand dollars on a purchase he may never be able to leave on, unless he sneaks out.

He already has a good boat, capable of blue water cruising. Perhaps, he should first find out if he can leave and go somewhere safe and financially secure. He should also find out if he can actually move funds out of China.


You might look at Hawaii and wHat happened to it’s US inhabitants during WW2 . China has nothing on it. !!
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Old 24-10-2022, 10:16   #24
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So, China, a communist country ruled by an autocrat is the same as Virginia, one of the first English colonies and settlements not founded by religious zealots? Home of Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington.

A Virginian can buy and sell anything legal, without fear of forfeiture or seizure by the government. A Virginian can leave, travel, move to any other state or country. A Virginian can go to court, federal or state, without a concern that it will dictate to the orders of an autocrat. We don't put people in prison for reporting news stories that make the government look bad.

The Chinese no longer have those rights, if they ever did. Hong Kong is now subject to the Chinese system. Whether the OP can even leave China should be relevant to his purchase plans. If he can leave, he would be much safer if he first travelled to Japan or Australia, or some other free country before he gambles away several hundred thousand dollars on a purchase he may never be able to leave on, unless he sneaks out.

He already has a good boat, capable of blue water cruising. Perhaps, he should first find out if he can leave and go somewhere safe and financially secure. He should also find out if he can actually move funds out of China.
Have you ever thought that maybe he is a wealthy expat with zillions in a Swiss bank and that he is intending to buy a yacht in the Med at the end of his current contract?
A bloke called Alex with $350,000 to splash on a boat doesn't sound like a Kowloon noodle vendor to me.
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Old 29-10-2022, 07:05   #25
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Re: sail around the world, which boat?

Thank you for your inputs so far, I’m indeed only interested in catamarans

Again, looking to strike right balance between comfort and speed in the price range
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