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02-05-2012, 22:46
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#166
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SF Bay Area
Boat: OPB
Posts: 176
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[QUOTE="Bash"]
Seriously, there are only two reasons for an unintentional roundup. You're either over-canvassed, or a gust has caught you by surprise.
Or the runners get fouled on a jibe.
Like I said, those examples were based more on racing than cruising. It was 4 in the morning, those examples were what came to mind. I suppose what's normal for racing would definitely be over canvassed cruising. I prefer to think that rather than being over canvassed, we are under ruddered.
I race for thrills, I cruise to relax, totally different styles.
We now return you to our regularly scheduled topic.
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02-05-2012, 22:50
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#167
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CF Adviser
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: sausalito
Boat: 14 meter sloop
Posts: 7,260
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Re: Rules & Etiquette for Visitors Aboard Your Boat
Quote:
Originally Posted by I.Grind
Or the runners get fouled on a jibe.
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Runners are evil, and I will never again own a boat that resorts to them.
However, just as someone should never blame rounding up on his boat, he shouldn't blame it on his runners either.
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02-05-2012, 23:11
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#168
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SF Bay Area
Boat: OPB
Posts: 176
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bash
Runners are evil, and I will never again own a boat that resorts to them.
However, just as someone should never blame rounding up on his boat, he shouldn't blame it on his runners either.
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Not blaming, just saying you left that one out.
One mans evil, is another mans fun!
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03-05-2012, 06:24
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#169
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Hurricane Highway
Boat: O'Day 28
Posts: 3,922
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Re: Rules & Etiquette for Visitors Aboard Your Boat
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bash
Careful about whistling up a gale, BC.
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Funny retort. This just seemed a little much: "And I don't round up. Ever."
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03-05-2012, 11:30
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#170
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Nanaimo
Boat: True North 34
Posts: 58
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Re: Rules & Etiquette for Visitors Aboard Your Boat
Too early for guests on our new boat but, on previous boats...
Rules are for pussies, we tell 'em nothing. When they inevitably make a mistake, we just point, laugh, mock and humiliate them until they curl up into the foetal position, jabbering. If they break something, we tie it around their neck and make them walk the plank, clutching two 10 lb fishing weights.
As a last resort, we invoke maritime law, e.g. No, you can't come off your eighteen-hour watch for a pee, it's against maritime law, you have to do all the cooking as crew, it's maritime law, you can't argue with the skipper... etc. etc.
Works for us.
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03-05-2012, 12:45
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#171
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Armchair Bucketeer
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 10,012
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Re: Rules & Etiquette for Visitors Aboard Your Boat
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Originally Posted by Knapweed
Too early for guests on our new boat but, on previous boats...
Rules are for pussies, we tell 'em nothing. When they inevitably make a mistake, we just point, laugh, mock and humiliate them until they curl up into the foetal position, jabbering. If they break something, we tie it around their neck and make them walk the plank, clutching two 10 lb fishing weights.
As a last resort, we invoke maritime law, e.g. No, you can't come off your eighteen-hour watch for a pee, it's against maritime law, you have to do all the cooking as crew, it's maritime law, you can't argue with the skipper... etc. etc.
Works for us.
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Sounds reasonable
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03-05-2012, 22:53
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#172
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Sioux Falls, SD
Boat: Carver 3207 Aft Cabin, 32'
Posts: 289
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Knapweed
Too early for guests on our new boat but, on previous boats...
Rules are for pussies, we tell 'em nothing. When they inevitably make a mistake, we just point, laugh, mock and humiliate them until they curl up into the foetal position, jabbering. If they break something, we tie it around their neck and make them walk the plank, clutching two 10 lb fishing weights.
As a last resort, we invoke maritime law, e.g. No, you can't come off your eighteen-hour watch for a pee, it's against maritime law, you have to do all the cooking as crew, it's maritime law, you can't argue with the skipper... etc. etc.
Works for us.
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I love it. That's hilarious. There you go.
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04-05-2012, 07:42
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#173
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Hurricane Highway
Boat: O'Day 28
Posts: 3,922
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Re: Rules & Etiquette for Visitors Aboard Your Boat
[QUOTE=Knapweed;943929As a last resort, we invoke maritime law, e.g. No, you can't come off your eighteen-hour watch for a pee, ...
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Sometimes you just have to pee in the cockpit.
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11-06-2012, 06:14
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#174
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Lviv, Ukraine
Boat: Ohlson 38
Posts: 691
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Re: Rules & Etiquette for Visitors Aboard Your Boat
Quote:
Originally Posted by Knapweed
Too early for guests on our new boat but, on previous boats...
Rules are for pussies, we tell 'em nothing. When they inevitably make a mistake, we just point, laugh, mock and humiliate them until they curl up into the foetal position, jabbering. If they break something, we tie it around their neck and make them walk the plank, clutching two 10 lb fishing weights.
As a last resort, we invoke maritime law, e.g. No, you can't come off your eighteen-hour watch for a pee, it's against maritime law, you have to do all the cooking as crew, it's maritime law, you can't argue with the skipper... etc. etc.
Works for us.
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hahahaaha! Laughed my ass off!
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01-11-2012, 17:29
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#175
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Neyland, Pembrokeshire, UK.
Boat: Bespoke fishing MV 34'
Posts: 11
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Re: Rules & Etiquette for Visitors Aboard Your Boat
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Originally Posted by rtbates
I have one rule for ALL persons aboard Seraph.
It's posted in a prominent position;
WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS TRY DOING WHAT THE CAPTAIN SUGGESTED
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Hear-hear!
Rule #1 . . . The Skipper is God on this boat.
Rule #2 . . . In case of difficulty in understanding Rule #1 please push the gang-plank back tidily when you are told to leave!
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What d'you mean "scrap it"? She's cost more to repair than she cost to build!!
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01-11-2012, 19:28
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#176
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Grenada
Boat: Shorebro,Royal 33 - Aloisius
Posts: 1,059
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Re: Rules & Etiquette for Visitors Aboard Your Boat
as skipper, I tried the maritime law thing today. My wife ignored me...again...
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04-11-2012, 10:19
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#177
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Florida
Boat: Seawind 1000xl
Posts: 2,592
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Re: Rules & Etiquette for Visitors Aboard Your Boat
Just my two cents, but it seems the key thing lots of posters are ignoring is horses for courses.
Some skippers are better suited for some crews and some crews are better suited for some skippers.
Some of the first clues are how a crew member will react to the head on the skippers boat. Sure there may be some boats where you push a button and that is the end of it, but I would bet for most of us using the head on a boat for the first time is a learning process. The first thing lots of males need to learn is to sit down and even then you may need to clean up when you are finished.
Even back in the 1960s I was sometimes taken by surprise by peeps who would spark up with no notice. Same goes for drinking beer (whatever) when others might feel it should be put off till the work is done.
One thing I have noticed both on land and on boats is that some folks just seem to rub some other folks the wrong way.
So the key in my mind is how do you find peeps you want to sail with that are compatible with you being the skipper, or you being the crew on a boat with a skipper you can live with.
I would almost bet there list peeps and no list peeps so having, or not having, a list might be a good way to do a first screen. It would help get a list skipper a list crew and a no list skipper a no list crew.
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04-11-2012, 10:28
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#178
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Holland, France
Boat: 33ft sloop
Posts: 1,091
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Re: Rules & Etiquette for Visitors Aboard Your Boat
If you don't know to behave - on a boat or not - means a deficit in your upbringing and education.
Takes met two seconds to see.
I prefer (therefore) not to take passengers. And when, I have known them for some time.
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04-11-2012, 12:13
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#179
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Moderator Emeritus
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Ohio
Boat: Now boatless :-(
Posts: 11,580
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tomfl
Just my two cents, but it seems the key thing lots of posters are ignoring is horses for courses.
Some skippers are better suited for some crews and some crews are better suited for some skippers.
Some of the first clues are how a crew member will react to the head on the skippers boat. Sure there may be some boats where you push a button and that is the end of it, but I would bet for most of us using the head on a boat for the first time is a learning process. The first thing lots of males need to learn is to sit down and even then you may need to clean up when you are finished.
Even back in the 1960s I was sometimes taken by surprise by peeps who would spark up with no notice. Same goes for drinking beer (whatever) when others might feel it should be put off till the work is done.
One thing I have noticed both on land and on boats is that some folks just seem to rub some other folks the wrong way.
So the key in my mind is how do you find peeps you want to sail with that are compatible with you being the skipper, or you being the crew on a boat with a skipper you can live with.
I would almost bet there list peeps and no list peeps so having, or not having, a list might be a good way to do a first screen. It would help get a list skipper a list crew and a no list skipper a no list crew.
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So here, most skippers, myself included, will always provide the basic running rules that come with a day out on the boat. Some skippers have an exhaustive 8 page "contract" and others have a shorter "contract."
Mine is pretty basic and includes, no glass bottles, drinking OK, smoking OK, no hard shoes, wht you can/may or should bring (hats, sunblock, food, clothing) and maybe a couple of others I can cover at the briefing like don't jump to the dock, don't get between the boat and any hard objects, here's how and when to don a vest, you can help with the lines if you are confortable but you are not expected to.
The point about "knowing" your guests is an important one but I have and will continue to take relative strangers on board because we are a social boat for the most part. Whether one gets to come back or wants to come back is very similar to a first date and that is all about compatibility.
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04-11-2012, 12:50
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#180
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Armchair Bucketeer
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 10,012
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Re: Rules & Etiquette for Visitors Aboard Your Boat
Some Skippers rely on crew / passengers / guests having the gift of second sight.
The irony being that if the Skipper had the gift of foresight that many problems / confusions / dissapointments could have easily been avoided.
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