Richardson Bay liveaboards, heads up!

[Hudson Force]

Originally Posted by Wrong

Ya left out the most important words. "homeless person" .....................

I might have missed something regarding this reference to "homeless person". Is this meant to identify people without houses? Certainly, all those on their boats are at home. I've lived on my boat as my only home for 45 years,- 31 employed and 14 years retired. I've never been homeless. I am accustomed to people living in their cars being referred to as homeless, but boats can have very suitable accommodations and just as much a home as those structures on shore. Homes, whether houses or boats, may be unsightly or well kept. Houses or boats may be environmentally benign or sources of pollution. People with their homes as boats or houses my be law abiding or not. People that loose ownership of their houses or boats can become homeless.

So, who are these homeless people that represent this "left out" word?

[sailorchic34]

Originally Posted by Hudson Force

I might have missed something regarding this reference to "homeless person".

In California, you would be considered homeless for living in a boat. It's a California thingy.

[sailorchic34]

Originally Posted by fstbttms

Yes, I understand. A change of scenery is nice. No looking at the same couple of hundred POS derelict floating junkpiles every single friggin' day. How very convenient for you. Too bad the residents of Sausalito (who actually pay Marin County property taxes, unlike you or your Richardson Bay liveaboard friends) don't have that option.

Maybe they just need to buy a boat...

Actually I only consider maybe thirtyish boats in richardson bay to be trashy. Most of the others are just lived in. Many could easily up anchor and sail about and some do.

I think if you look at the boats at anchor in the bay, many, though OK not near all, have registration stickers on the hulls. To get the 2 year stickers, you have to pay county property tax, somewhere in California.

I do pay property tax, though not in Marin. Oh sure, it's about $170 a year. but for 120sf of cozy living space, it seems proportional. So many of the boats anchored do pay a tax, proportional to the value of the boat.

I've not a problem at all anchoring with the anchor outs both in Richardson bay and in the delta. Good honest people for the most part. Though my introverted anti-social tendencies, generally means I seek out quiet places most of the time.

[Fluer de Mer]

Apologies. I’ve had requests to repost these 12/31/15 photos with Richardson Bay identifiers/tags so that Google can identify and include them in search results.

[Fluer de Mer]

Continued apologies for the duplication. I’ve had requests to repost these 12/31/15 photos with Richardson Bay identifiers/tags so that Google can identify and include them in search results.

[Fluer de Mer]

Continued apologies for the duplication. I’ve had requests to repost these 12/31/15 photos with Richardson Bay identifiers/tags so that Google can identify and include them in search results.

[fstbttms]

Gosh, I certainly hope the "owner" of all these outboard motors obtained them through legitimate means...



Oh, but of course he did. I mean, if there was any criminal activity being perpetrated by the denzines of the floating junkyard in Richardson bay, the authorities would have taken care of it, right?

[zeehag]

Originally Posted by EvanStolze

Your're probably right - I guess the misc junk floating around (typically after some weather) likely fell from the sky. And while I agree my that my particular opinions/standards are not important, those of society as a collective are - and this issue exists because the general public (both boating and non) finds the current RB situation unacceptable. And while I tend to agree, my problem is not with how others choose to live. Rather, it's 1) with the numerous, tightly anchored and unlit/abandoned boats on the Sausalito side of the channel that I used to have to weave through a few days a week in the middle of the night to get into my old marina, and 2) with the boats that sink or break away after each " storm ".

if you watch very closely during storms, you will find the runoff from land and storm drains contains crap garbage and other floating detritus of land life. occasionally corpses, refrigerators and other lovelies not found on boats. that includes YOUR starbucks cups and napkins, cigarette wrappers and such other lovelinesses.
by your logicless, this crap comes from the anchored boats in richardson bay.
might wanna watch a tad more closely in a storm.
and if you will excuse the hell out of me, many excellent boats break away during storms--what say you to the disposal of those derelicts?? anything that breaks loose in stormy conditions needs to be gotten rid of.
i know a perfectly good lafitte 44 which was recently stolen and returned to owners on mooring, which broke loose due to bad bow cleats(mfg defect), in a "pnw storm" in san diego bay ... mebbe it shoulda been removed and crushed , as it was derelict and went walkabout in a storm.......
who in the hell elected you guys god of appearance group and what is right on water??

[Liam Wald]

Originally Posted by fstbttms

Gosh, I certainly hope the "owner" of all these outboard motors obtained them through legitimate means...



Oh, but of course he did. I mean, if there was any criminal activity being perpetrated by the denzines of the floating junkyard in Richardson bay, the authorities would have taken care of it, right?

Are you implying that he stole them? It is possible that he simply purchased them at a really good price from people desperate to buy some "medicine".

[Jason Flare]

Originally Posted by Wrong

The Richardson Bay Regional Authority does not have the authority or power to restrict or prohibit anchoring in Richardson Bay. Period. Before, during or after 72 hours.

Originally Posted by fstbttms

I don't care where they go. It is not my responsibility to relocate these people. As long as it is legal for them to be there and as long as they obey whatever rules exist in that location, I'm fine with it. That I don't have a destination at hand does not justify them staying where they are, however.

Fastbottoms, I think you need to find out who has the authority to relocate the people you don't like and insist they do their job and relocate them.

If they won't do the job insist that they be replaced by someone who will.

Maybe someone who is willing to boat out there and relocate them can get the job. But first I'd start with finding out if someone isn't doing their job.

[fstbttms]

Originally Posted by Liam Wald

Are you implying that he stole them? It is possible that he simply purchased them at a really good price from people desperate to buy some "medicine".

"Officer, I merely found these numerous outboard motors, and, in fact, was on my way to the police station to turn them in."

[Jason Flare]

Originally Posted by fstbttms

"Officer, I merely found these numerous outboard motors, and, in fact, was on my way to the police station to turn them in."

You have a photo of the motors. You could bring it to the PD. Maybe they've been looking for them and you could be of help.

[Fluer de Mer]

‘Boat Bandit’ Arrested In String Of Boat Paraphernalia Thefts « CBS San Francisco

[fstbttms]

Originally Posted by Jason Flare

Fastbottoms, I think you need to find out who has the authority to relocate the people you don't like and insist they do their job and relocate them.

What makes you think I don't like these people? I never said that, never inferred that. I simply want these people to abide by the rules, just like the rest of are expected to. They aren't exempt simply because you assume they are somehow disadvantaged.

And BTW- the whole point of this thread (which you clearly have not taken the time to read) is that the authorities are in the process of doing their jobs. And there are some few here who don't like that.

[Jason Flare]

Originally Posted by fstbttms

What makes you think I don't like these people? I never said that, never inferred that. I simply want these people to abide by the rules, just like the rest of are expected to. They aren't exempt simply because you assume they are somehow disadvantaged.

And BTW- the whole point of this thread (which you clearly have not taken the time to read) is that the authorities are in the process of doing their jobs. And there are some few here who don't like that.

So I take it you like the idea of going to the PD with the photo of the motors.