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Old 19-02-2021, 00:49   #1
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Q for the traveling liveaboards

How many of you would recommend a Motorsailer as a movable home, south pacific?
Pros and cons.
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Old 22-02-2021, 07:27   #2
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Re: Q for the traveling liveaboards

I would not consider a motor-sailor.

Reason: Distances are large and using the engines become expansive, a motor-sailor is not a good sail boat.

I live on one and would go again for a cat. 5 years after the decision for a cat we still consider it as a good one.

Reasons: There is space for you and if family and friends will come, there is also lots of space. Boat does not roll like a single hull and this makes it more comfortable when at anchor.
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Old 22-02-2021, 07:36   #3
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How many of you would recommend a Motorsailer as a movable home, south pacific?
Pros and cons.
I would recommend a motorsailer that sails well, such as Nauticat or Finnsailer (mine) - with about 15 knots of wind my boat will happily do 5 knots and I have a powerful engine and 450 lt of fuel for challenging conditions ;-)
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I would not consider a motor-sailor.

Reason: Distances are large and using the engines become expansive, a motor-sailor is not a good sail boat.

I live on one and would go again for a cat. 5 years after the decision for a cat we still consider it as a good one.

Reasons: There is space for you and if family and friends will come, there is also lots of space. Boat does not roll like a single hull and this makes it more comfortable when at anchor.
I wont be able to afford to buy a cat.
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I would recommend a motorsailer that sails well, such as Nauticat or Finnsailer (mine) - with about 15 knots of wind my boat will happily do 5 knots and I have a powerful engine and 450 lt of fuel for challenging conditions ;-)
Im looking more and more at them. From the limited reading ive found majority seem to sail quiet well even in fairly light winds if set up with a decent sail plan.
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Old 24-02-2021, 13:43   #6
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Re: Q for the traveling liveaboards

Cal makes some great motorsailors. The CC46, Cal-46 2 & 3 are amazing boats. I was actually going to buy one, but the owner recovered from his illness (Thankfully) and was able to get back to the restore.
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Old 24-02-2021, 13:49   #7
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What's your budget? Somebody was trying to sell a nice looking 56" aluminum ted brewer motor sailor. The price seems reasonable, depending on it's condition.
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I would not consider a motor-sailor.

Reason: Distances are large and using the engines become expansive, a motor-sailor is not a good sail boat.

I live on one and would go again for a cat. 5 years after the decision for a cat we still consider it as a good one.

Reasons: There is space for you and if family and friends will come, there is also lots of space. Boat does not roll like a single hull and this makes it more comfortable when at anchor.

I would definitely consider a large motorsailer or even a straight out "real" trawler.

Catamarans can be incredibly expensive as are sails, wire, masts etc and to successfully carry a big cruising load (months worth of food, tonnes of water and fuel, large tenders, big outboards, diving gear, big solar, spares etc etc ) yet still actually produce 7+ knot averages require a LARGE version of, more expense.
(I have owned and built catamarans)

Motorsailers and real trawlers and their displacement hulls can suck up a lot of weight.
Usually far lower buy in price buys a lot to a lifetime in fuel and maintenance

Observations over decades of cruising is that sailing vessels spend a lot of time motoring anyway and in the last 5 years with boomers selling up and buying into new condomarans, I can honestly say a sail on them is a rare sight, even when running downhill.
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What's your budget? Somebody was trying to sell a nice looking 56" aluminum ted brewer motor sailor. The price seems reasonable, depending on it's condition.
Not looking to buy for a couple years at this stage. Budget will only be around 70k Aus$.
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Not looking to buy for a couple years at this stage. Budget will only be around 70k Aus$.
Just had a look
Pickings are very slim at that pricepoint
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Just had a look
Pickings are very slim at that pricepoint
Its a tough price point but they do come up now and again. Couple for sale near me at the moment.

https://www.boatsalestas.com.au/sail...arachi/257921/

https://www.boatsonline.com.au/boats...ber-out/257628
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The Bollard 38 looks like it may sail quiet well.
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Not a motorsailor. Much offshore travel is in light airs, so one would be motoring A LOT. Fuel for recreational purposes will only be getting more expensive as nations try to curtail their emissions.

Another factor for me, is that they are often pilothouse boats, so hard to see around, and often, poorly ventilated.

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Re: Q for the traveling liveaboards

would not go for a motorsailor. fuel is expensive in the island and often hard to get

they are also (usually) slow and comparatively thirsty

believe we have the best of all worlds with a cat (easily driven & light), with decent sized engines (2 x 55hp) for those calms

sorry but you won't get much for A$70k

you might like

https://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for...r-sailer/69806

but it's definitely not my cup of tea...

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would not go for a motorsailor. fuel is expensive in the island and often hard to get

they are also (usually) slow and comparatively thirsty

believe we have the best of all worlds with a cat (easily driven & light), with decent sized engines (2 x 55hp) for those calms

sorry but you won't get much for A$70k

you might like

https://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for...r-sailer/69806

but it's definitely not my cup of tea...

cheers,
Cannot afford a cat. Fuel cost is a concern but id get something that can sail OK. Wont be a speed queen but i dont need to go 22 knots cruising. Just day hops in the main.

I live in Tas so would probably get used for a year or two before we took it up to the south pacific islands. Plenty of wind down here.

Lots of room in that Burns 52 but i dont want a double ender and its a bit tug like. Very dark interior to. If i was going a trawler i dont think id bother with the expense of masts and sails. Bit pricey at 100k to imo. But you could buy a 50 ft sailboat for 200k so 100k is allot of fuel.
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