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07-05-2019, 10:53
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#46
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Marine Service Provider
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Cruising Mexico Currently
Boat: Gulfstar 50
Posts: 1,979
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Re: Plan? No Plan? A plan written on beach sand?
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07-05-2019, 11:02
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#47
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Wrangell, Alaska
Boat: 1983 Nauticat 43, Hull 16
Posts: 122
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Re: Plan? No Plan? A plan written on beach sand?
The plan: Get off of the dock, point boat north, come back to dock sometime in the future. That's about all I can foresee at this time.
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07-05-2019, 11:13
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#48
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Bellingham
Boat: Outbound 44
Posts: 9,319
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Re: Plan? No Plan? A plan written on beach sand?
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Originally Posted by dkroar
The plan: Get off of the dock, point boat north, come back to dock sometime in the future. That's about all I can foresee at this time.
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Sounds like a sound plan for Alaska with its year round benign climate
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07-05-2019, 11:24
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#49
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: On a boat
Boat: 1987 Cabo Rico 38 #117 (sold) & 2008 Manta 42 #124
Posts: 4,174
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Re: Plan? No Plan? A plan written on beach sand?
We don't NEED to have a plan but some generalized idea of where we want to go and how we are going to get there is what I need to feel whole. We (I) am still working so I have the need to both travel and be someplace I can reasonably expect that I can work or fly out of. I'm looking forward to the day that I can stop that nonsense and we can enjoy our cruise at whatever pace we choose to set.
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07-05-2019, 11:29
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#50
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Good question
Boat: Rafiki 37
Posts: 14,206
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Re: Plan? No Plan? A plan written on beach sand?
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Originally Posted by Smokeys Kitchen
We made a 'plan' when we went to Alaska for the winter 2 years ago. Stopping at all the 'right' places and then a lot of motoring to get to the next place on the plan. It was ok, and we did see a lot of really cool, interesting places and things; but we did try to squeeze in as much as we could and did not leave time to just stop and hang out if we wanted to.
This year our plan is to 'sail where the wind takes us'. Not really caring where we end up for the night, but with just a general overall view of where we will go for the season. We'll see how that works out.
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We’ve ended up alternating between these styles, depending on the season and ‘the plan.’
There have been a few seasons where we’ve decided to go somewhere, do something. In these cases we’ve decided to travel longer distances, and don’t spend as much time lingering. But most seasons, when we have no where in particular to go, we simply go where the wind blows us.
I prefer the latter, but sometimes we just gotta get somewhere. Even so, I take as much time as possible to do the route. As our motto goes: Why go fast, when you can go slow.
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07-05-2019, 11:41
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#51
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CF Adviser
Join Date: Oct 2007
Boat: Van Helleman Schooner 65ft StarGazer
Posts: 10,280
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Re: Plan? No Plan? A plan written on beach sand?
I am a Planner.!
Non stop, when others sleep, I plan, I reorganise and reevaluate my priorities in all parts of my life.
Have been doing it with the Franklin Planner since June 1986 and my bookcase full of annual Franklin Binders made a wonderful bonfire when I decided to move back on board fulltime! [emoji4]
http://www.mytimemanagement.com/franklin-covey.html
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07-05-2019, 11:52
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#52
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 5,985
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Re: Plan? No Plan? A plan written on beach sand?
Hey Mike,
Your young so flexibility is on your side, actually sailing as you are builds lots of experience and therefore confidence. Your in a position now to pretty much pull of any plan that makes sense you and your bride. Of course I also like riding motor bikes as you guys do, you’ve got the best of both worlds going for you.
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07-05-2019, 12:55
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#53
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CLOD
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: being planted in Jacksonville Fl
Boat: none
Posts: 20,415
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Re: Plan? No Plan? A plan written on beach sand?
if it isn't written down I don't feel you can call it a "plan"
it's just a thought/idea
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07-05-2019, 13:00
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#54
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Boston, MA
Boat: Beneteau 473, 47ft
Posts: 102
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Re: Plan? No Plan? A plan written on beach sand?
Such a great threat,
In our case, we like to have goals (as in a general plan) and then make changes accordingly to achieve them. We gave ourselves 4-5 years to save for a nice liveaboard sailboat, and all the sudden, within 2 year we came across a great deal, so it was easy for us to 'adjust' the plan.
Now, the general plan is to keep working and beefing/upgrading the boat over the next 4-5 years to then go cruising for a while. We'll start with 1-2 years, and the question is whether we want to head east (Mediterranean) or south (Caribbean). I suppose that's a nice conundrum to have.
An important thing for us is to make sure we don't plan for 'the future', as in save until retirement, and forgetting about enjoying the time we have until then. Sure we are still young, but I'm tired of seeing friends and family getting sick sooner than they planned to. It is much more difficult to adapt to those changes... spending 3 weeks in Maine this summer will help me feel like I'm not just 'waiting for the dream to come true'!
Great threat, and I hope all your plans come true!
Ivan
S/V Balu
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07-05-2019, 13:15
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#55
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Good question
Boat: Rafiki 37
Posts: 14,206
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Re: Plan? No Plan? A plan written on beach sand?
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Originally Posted by robert sailor
Hey Mike,
Your young so flexibility is on your side, actually sailing as you are builds lots of experience and therefore confidence. Your in a position now to pretty much pull of any plan that makes sense you and your bride. Of course I also like riding motor bikes as you guys do, you’ve got the best of both worlds going for you.
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Thanks Robert. I do feel pretty flexible — I would say free — in this life of ours. We are relatively young (is 51 still young?). With no children, no debts, sufficient savings and income, and a good old boat that will take us anywhere, I feel pretty free.
As I often tell people, we have no where in particular to go, and all the time in the world to get there.
Pelagic, funny you should mention the Franklin Planner system. I have a friend who is a long-time disciple of it. He tried to show me its worth. As you can tell, I never took to it .
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07-05-2019, 13:55
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#56
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Moderator
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: aboard, in Tasmania, Australia
Boat: Sayer 46' Solent rig sloop
Posts: 28,524
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Re: Plan? No Plan? A plan written on beach sand?
Mike, I'm sure you do some planning. You might just think of it as "taking care of *it*". But from the trip to do provisioning, there's a list; the store of spares wants looking over and possibly refreshing (just how many out of date flares do you carry?), or, making that trip to Labrador actually happen. When you get it that closer to home is easier for one's old age, then you'll have a push to go farther afield. I'm told the islands north of Scotland are very friendly, for example.
As to Jim's jump, in the story, someone was chasing him....I don't recall the details.
Ann
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07-05-2019, 14:18
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#57
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Vancouver, BC
Boat: C&C Landfall 38
Posts: 821
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Re: Plan? No Plan? A plan written on beach sand?
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Originally Posted by Mike OReilly
People often come to cruising with a plan to sail around the world, or to visit all the “must-see” sights of an area. Some have plans and schedules and goals and objectives. Many make detailed financial plans and budgets. They plan for retirement, for healthcare, for the end of cruising.
Obviously we all make plans. I’m not suggesting it’s wrong or anything. Clearly some level of planning is always necessary. It’s just that I don’t tend to plan a lot. Or rather, the plans I make tend to be written in sand.
Just curious how others approach this.
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Is that "written in the sand" at low tide?
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07-05-2019, 14:18
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#58
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CF Adviser
Join Date: Oct 2007
Boat: Van Helleman Schooner 65ft StarGazer
Posts: 10,280
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Re: Plan? No Plan? A plan written on beach sand?
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Originally Posted by Mike OReilly
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Pelagic, funny you should mention the Franklin Planner system. I have a friend who is a long-time disciple of it. He tried to show me its worth. As you can tell, I never took to it .
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When working as an Owner's Rep.in the design, build operation of super yachts it was an invaluable tool to keep up with organizing the myriad of details and time commitments of subcontractors, to protect the Chairman, all while constantly traveling.
It allowed me to relax and take personal time on non essential, but important matters, rather than get into crisis management and worry if I've forgotten anything.
Now retired, I don't buy the journals anymore, but the basic disciplines of the " Compass and the Clock " are ingrained as a mindset on how I organize my days.
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07-05-2019, 14:37
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#59
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Senior Cruiser
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Between Caribbean and Canada
Boat: Murray 33-Chouette & Pape Steelmaid-44-Safara-both steel cutters
Posts: 8,561
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Re: Plan? No Plan? A plan written on beach sand?
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Originally Posted by a64pilot
I have goals not plans for destinations. I started with a goal of seeing the South Pacific, I may make it, or maybe not. I’d like to, but it’s apparent the better half won’t make the crossing with me, or maybe said a better way, maybe it’s best I take crew or a pro delivery Capt with me
Finances is where in my opinion you need a plan
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I somewhat frequently hear “my spouse won’t make that passage” and I have the same issue. Perhaps we should have a sub forum or group or something where folks with this problem could post their plan to see if there is another captain who would crew.
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07-05-2019, 15:05
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#60
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 5,985
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Re: Plan? No Plan? A plan written on beach sand?
[QUOTE=a64pilot;2883814]I have goals not plans for destinations. I started with a goal of seeing the South Pacific, I may make it, or maybe not. I’d like to, but it’s apparent the better half won’t make the crossing with me, or maybe said a better way, maybe it’s best I take crew or a pro delivery Capt with me
Finances is where in my opinion you need a plan[/QUOTE
OK I’ll share something with you. I’ve made lots of ocean passages, something over 50,000 miles now BUT I do not like passage making. If I had options your wife has I’d do exactly what she’s doing. My ego is too big to not do the trips or hire a delivery skipper or put it on a ship, just not in me so I do the passages but that’s not my first choice I will say I do really like the last 2 or so days prior to making landfall, new places I’ve never been, dreaming about hamburgers and fries and all the new places and cultures I’ve never seen, I really do like that part of it. After a sleep of the dead I look forward to doing lots of local sailing and visiting islands in the area, I really enjoy that to but I understand people not liking the crossings. I think 30 years ago I sorta liked them but not anymore. Grab a couple of buddies and do your crossing, you’ll all enjoy yourselves. After your bride has done more sailing she might slowly change her mind and do short passages with you, say 3 or 4 days and after that who knows but lack of sleep and constant motion isn’t for everyone. Your in the Caribbean now and it’s pretty easy sailing here, you just might be like 95% of other sailors and never go anywhere else, not exactly a bad thing.
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