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Old 07-05-2019, 03:13   #31
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Re: Plan? No Plan? A plan written on beach sand?

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I don't know if he still feels this way, but Jim once said he hoped he'd die jumping out of a whore house window at the age of 106.....
It could be worse, he might have wanted to die climbing into a whorehouse window at 106 years old.
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So Mike, not being so much of a planner, is this something you had to work towards or have you always been this way.

Me personally, I don't think it's just societal conditioning, it's actually in me to worry about and plan the future, not saying this is a good thing.

Obviously the best balance would be "live today but plan for tomorrow".

There's no doubt to many of us miss the NOW due to planning tommorow,Its very much the western (US centric) way.
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I don't know if he still feels this way, but Jim once said he hoped he'd die jumping out of a whore house window at the age of 106.....
....aiming for his donkey. But missing it and falling down a hole.

Which goes to show, if you can't tell your ass from a hole in the ground, you'll likely end up dead.
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Old 07-05-2019, 05:27   #34
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Hi Dale, interesting question ó something much better discussed over many a beer. But I certainly havenít worked towards achieving my lackadaisical attitude ó that would require planning .

As with all of us, my personality has been shaped by both nature and nurture. Upbringing and family, influential friends, and life events shape us all. But as you say, our genetics contributes more to our personalities than some of us like to admit. We are definitely not blank slates. Nature does shape us, but we arenít a slave to our genes either.

On the nurture side, I do think a big contributor for most of us is the way our developed societies promote the constant drive for MORE. The very idea of ENOUGH is verboten. This leads most of us to spend more time thinking (and planning) about the future than focusing on the present.
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I don't know if he still feels this way, but Jim once said he hoped he'd die jumping out of a whore house window at the age of 106.....
Jumping out, or being thrown out? .
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Re: Plan? No Plan? A plan written on beach sand?

I tend to take things literally. I always find it difficult not to claim my leather shoes and cotton shirts when clearing customs and asked if I'm bringing animal or plant products into the country. So, when I read the title of this thread, ".... a plan written on beach sand", I was recalling a time in 1969 when I was sketching out the cabin layout of Dickerson 35 in the Virginia Beach sand. I was doing this to share a plan to live on board a sailboat that I first made at twelve years old in 1958. The object of the plan in the sand was a plan to convince a young lady to share the plan.

Many of the posts on this thread suggest that planning is futile; but for me, having the plan is being at the helm. Does planning limit freedom? ......prevent flexibility or adaptation to the unexpected? .....jinx success? ....foreshadow failure? ....label the planner as having "OCD"? (...and why is it obsessive compulsive "Dis"order when it's all about order?)

That girl that I drew the plans in the sand for in 1969 is with me now fifty years later as planned. We planned our 45 years of liveaboard cruising; planned our two children; planned to live on less than our income; planned for the inevitable loss of the physical means to remain aboard.

It might not be everyone's plan, but it works for me!
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Re: Plan? No Plan? A plan written on beach sand?

Very few people actually “plan.” Most of us just live routines. If we planned we would have a lot more money in the bank for retirement.

I’ve been a hard core planner, personally and professionally. It got me to retirement, later than planned but there. Now that I’ve retired I am still a compulsive planner, but in reality it’s more of a “dreamer” than planner.

The thing is plans can take a life of their own, you can get locked into some plan and wake up 40 years latter saying “How did I get here?” Well buddy, you planned for it and worked at it. No, plans need to be flexible, and disposable when they become untenable or revel unintended consequences.

I’ve got at least 2 plans for this summer, no clue which one I’ll execute. But I’m working both. I’ve a very rough idea for next summer season.

I drive my poor Wife crazy.
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I have goals not plans for destinations. I started with a goal of seeing the South Pacific, I may make it, or maybe not. Iíd like to, but itís apparent the better half wonít make the crossing with me, or maybe said a better way, maybe itís best I take crew or a pro delivery Capt with me

Finances is where in my opinion you need a plan


Sounds like my life
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Jumping out, or being thrown out? .
I would bet jumping. Any 106 man can get thrown. But to still be able to jump, well that's priceless.
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I've found that the more I plan, the more the Universe laughs.

Back East we planned to be in Boston for the 4th of July to watch the USS Constitution sail (or just be turned around for the the year). A sail of about 250 miles, piece of cake. We left each year, and each year life got in the way, breakdowns, family crises - one year my husband left his wallet home and we didn't discover it until we were in Martha's Vineyard and had to turn around and go back. This went on for 6 years.

Now we want to go to Alaska. We thought we'd fix this old boat up and cast off. Hah! First an almost total refit, drained the bank accounts, had to lie low to build them up again, set off last year and poof! found that the old windlass was seriously undersized for this boat and the 35 year old refrigeration was going to kill us. Back to civilization and more money, more time, more, more, more.

Now we stand poised to try again. Only one thing is different. Now we say that we are sailing "north" and we will turn around when we run out of summer, money or fun. I'm so tired of not reaching my destination that I'm refusing to have a destination now.

I'll let you know how it works.....
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Prime example, in Cape Verde solo a while ago getting set to go to Carib, couple boats com into the anchorage "we're off to Brazil tomorrow, wanna come?"
What a fun 6 months that was!
^^^ This is exactly my First Mate's outlook. All our adventures have been prompted by her. She does the "Let's do this / go there..." and I do the planning to make it happen.

Great thread.
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You MUST make a Plan.
If you donít have one, how can you change it?
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Re: Plan? No Plan? A plan written on beach sand?

I think the older you get the less you plan to be someplace at a given time. No matter what we do plans change as events happen. We have a general idea of what we want to do but I am happy just to be out anywhere.
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Re: Plan? No Plan? A plan written on beach sand?

We made a 'plan' when we went to Alaska for the winter 2 years ago. Stopping at all the 'right' places and then a lot of motoring to get to the next place on the plan. It was ok, and we did see a lot of really cool, interesting places and things; but we did try to squeeze in as much as we could and did not leave time to just stop and hang out if we wanted to.

This year our plan is to 'sail where the wind takes us'. Not really caring where we end up for the night, but with just a general overall view of where we will go for the season. We'll see how that works out.
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We made a 'plan' when we went to Alaska for the winter 2 years ago. Stopping at all the 'right' places and then a lot of motoring to get to the next place on the plan. It was ok, and we did see a lot of really cool, interesting places and things; but we did try to squeeze in as much as we could and did not leave time to just stop and hang out if we wanted to.

This year our plan is to 'sail where the wind takes us'. Not really caring where we end up for the night, but with just a general overall view of where we will go for the season. We'll see how that works out.
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