Multihull or money aside

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by nofacey

If you’re planning to round the Horn or Africa, do the Northwest passage or get close to the poles - monos are more comfortable in big waves - and not aware of any ice rated production cats.

You'd better tell all those go fast cats and tris that sail around the Horn that they can't do it.
And while your at it tell Robin Chamberlain and Terry Travers that their open bridge decked, light weight 38 fter couldn't possibly sail down to the ice.

[nofacey]

Hmmmm...so all those cats/tri’s zooming round below the Horn are crewed by regular cruising couples? Don’t think so. And I doubt if there was a wife on that open cat in the ice.

I’m out sailing a 50ft, 25T steel hulled monohull. Pacific Ocean, Indian Ocean, around Africa & up the Atlantic into the Caribbean. Sail with my 65 yr old wife and pick up 1-2 crew on passage. Lots of cats in the Caribbean & crossing the Pacific. Fewer Indian Ocean. Extremely few cruising cats rounding the capes.
Richards Bay = on run to round the Cape of Good Hope.... dozen cruisers waiting for a weather window, all monos 28 - 54 ft, zero cats. (I did pass one coming down the Mozembeq )

I’m not saying cats can’t do the run - my observation is that when waves get higher than the bridge deck, my cat sailing buddies talk about uncomfortable motion and noise that ‘sounds like the boat is going to break’. They slow down, and avoid routes that expose them to ugly waves.

Hence my response to OP......go with a cat if you’re going to hang close to the equator, but monos are more comfortable in ugly conditions ie rounding either Cape.

[bluenomads]

Hey nofacey, still waiting on your list (ie. more than one!) of "production" monohulls - now with your added criteria of "crewed by regular cruising couple" - that are "ice rated"...

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by nofacey

I’m not saying cats can’t do the run - my observation is that when waves get higher than the bridge deck, my cat sailing buddies talk about uncomfortable motion and noise that ‘sounds like the boat is going to break’. They slow down, and avoid routes that expose them to ugly waves.

They are not cats, they are dogs.
Not much of a vessel if it gets bridge deck slap and sounds like its going to break in less than 3ft waves.
Any half decent cat will have no such issues.

[daletournier]

Originally Posted by chakil

I dont think we can handle a 47ft mono.
And if we go for the mono I think we can choose;
41.1 beneteau
412 Dufour GL
449 Jeanneau

You can, you just think you cant, its really not that much different. Youll enjoy the extra room,comfort and performance. Theres a big difference from a 40 to a 47ft.

[mako]

Originally Posted by chakil

I own a motor yacht for 5 years , it was fun and I was so lucky I even did not lose a penny when I sold it but it may have gone completely opposite.

I heard this old urban legend that a powerboater once switched to sail, but I never thought there was any truth to it... until now

Originally Posted by chakil

I own a motor yacht... and I was so lucky I even did not lose a penny when I sold it

I owned a big boat and sold it a few years later for 30% profit, but for some reason I had 1/5th the savings in my account when I was done... When it comes to investments, I'm starting to like that annuity idea better

[CatNewBee]

There are aluminum catamarans out there you can use for high lattitude sailing, also steel cats.

see

Garcia Yachting SC48
mumby-catamarans
De Villiers & Van Schaik
Easton 46 Aluminium catamaran
Alubat Ovnicat 48
Alcat

Don't know much about the prices, but very likely will be out of reach.

[mako]

Originally Posted by CatNewBee

There are aluminum catamarans out there you can use for high lattitude sailing, also steel cats.

Don't know much about the prices, but very likely will be out of reach.

If you're interested in a high latitude, ice class hull, steel cat, and are willing to go power instead of sail, then I can recommend a very reputable commercial fishing boat shipyard in Ukraine. Budget (not yacht finish) would be low 300's.

[MartinR]

Personally I would go for a 50´mono instead of a 40´cat and save the money for the journey. A 50´mono you can get reasonably cheap. Lots of previous charter boats on the market. It will still be a little smaller inside than the cat, but on average faster and easier to handle. Sail area is about the same.

Not that I do not like cats, but they are far too expensive. Will change in a few years when the charter boats hit the market.

[44'cruisingcat]

Originally Posted by chakil

Hi sailors,

I want to ask you a simple question , I guess you experienced liveaboards have great opinion about this;

Do you prefer to buy a 40ft multihull and have 5.000€ extra money to spend per month ?
or
Do you prefer to buy a 43ft monohull and have 2.000€ extra money to spend per month?

I have a cat and I'd be happy for you to give me €5000 per month. Or €2000.

[JC Reefer]

I’d go for the money. Being liquid is a good feeling. You’ll always find a way to spend it.

What’s the saying, Better to not have when you need. [emoji6]

[LargeMarge]

For us, it's no-contest:
Narrow twin-keel mono-hull. Shallow water-draft. Low air-draft. Design it, build it, float it.

In our experience, interior space is over-rated. We close slow-waltz rather than ballroom dance. Harmonica instead of tuba. Fish and forage shores instead of carrying Apocalyptic Supplies. Knock over the occasional elk or bear instead of watching canned goods rust.

Skills instead of equipment.

Narrow gives lots of side-to-side interior railings to grip.
Narrow gives vastly more remote exploration potential.
Narrow can be simpler.
Narrow offers the potential for better hull-speed. Potentially.
Narrow beaches [verb] so we can explore the islands... and, let's face facts, dry land is islands.

5,000 Europeans? You and I exist in different worlds. Our budget for the year, the whole year, the entire year, is less than the equivalent of about 5,000 Europeans.

Are you looking for a Marina Condo? Goals, Requirements Statement.