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Old 11-10-2020, 16:15   #16
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Re: Live aboard dream, seeking advice.

I agree with everything people are saying about joining a yacht club. You could try Ocean Racing Club of Victoria. They organise some interesting longer distance races (hoping to get going again around month-end if restrictions move to Level 4). And they have training courses - tend to favour more cruising and off-shore topics. Sea Safety Survival is a must for off-shore sailing. I think they also run weather courses. If you join prior to buying your own boat you get to sail on a variety of other people's boats and you can see what you like/don't like - although it will be mostly racing boats you get on. You also learn a heap from the old salts who generally love to chat about boats and sailing. Volunteer for deliveries - that gives you experience at sea without the full race crew. The idea of a cat is a good one if your wife's condition presents a physical challenge.
The other idea is to do what we are about to do - charter in the Whitsundays. We have a monohull booked for next month, and a cat in next June. Cats are roughly double the price, but much more comfortable, so we are going to compare the two and see whether we can justify the extra cost. You may find it a good investment if it makes your wife more comfortable.
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Old 12-10-2020, 16:02   #17
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Thank you to everyone who's taken the time to reply; a lot of great advice coming in.

Getting a skipper aboard for an intensive on our own boat is something we had't considered but makes a lot of sense. We'd assumed doing the full courses and getting full certification was a necessity for insurance purposes?

Given the circumstances joining local clubs (thanks Moana Bella for recommending ORCV) makes the most sense, particularly to see my wife's compatibility with the life style (for lack of a better phrase)

For those who were asking about my wife's injury: The injury was in her lower back and hips. She has trouble sitting upright for longer than 10min but standing is ok, everything she does must be in moderation. Aside from that she is quite fit, and the specialists all agree that the stronger she gets the better she can manage the pain; what better way to get strong than life aboard a boat? (we're both in our mid 30s for what it's worth)

@Greg Mason; we've been doing ALOT of arm chair looking. And our tastes swing every which way, from monohulls to cats, GRP to steel, etc. We haven't had the full roller coaster as yet as we aren't able to get out to see any in person! (though we live right in Wyndham Harbour and can see them from a distance everyday!)
Catamarans: we had considered them, and it could still be a possibility, though monohulls seem to have our hearts at the moment.

But like most of you have said, we just need to get out on some to see first.

Again, thank you to everyone who replied.
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Re: Live aboard dream, seeking advice.

Thank you to everyone who's taken the time to reply; a lot of great advice coming in.

Getting a skipper aboard for an intensive on our own boat is something we had't considered but makes a lot of sense. We'd assumed doing the full courses and getting full certification was a necessity for insurance purposes?

Given the circumstances joining local clubs (thanks Moana Bella for recommending ORCV) makes the most sense, particularly to see my wife's compatibility with the life style (for lack of a better phrase)

For those who were asking about my wife's injury: The injury was in her lower back and hips. She has trouble sitting upright for longer than 10min but standing is ok, everything she does must be in moderation. Aside from that she is quite fit, and the specialists all agree that the stronger she gets the better she can manage the pain; what better way to get strong than life aboard a boat? (we're both in our mid 30s for what it's worth)

@Greg Mason; we've been doing ALOT of arm chair looking. And our tastes swing every which way, from monohulls to cats, GRP to steel, etc. We haven't had the full roller coaster as yet as we aren't able to get out to see any in person! (though we live right in Wyndham Harbour and can see them from a distance everyday!)
Catamarans: we had considered them, and it could still be a possibility, though monohulls seem to have our hearts at the moment.

But like most of you have said, we just need to get out on some to see first.

Again, thank you to everyone who replied.
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Old 12-10-2020, 16:21   #19
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Thanks SY Kelpie, your reply is very valuable.
Our daily musings have touched on these but your breakdown has confirmed what we were already thinking.

In regards to running and maintaining the boat: We definitely want to do the majority of our own maintenance, it'll be a learning curve for sure, but we are both quite hands on. My wife has done a bit of engine mechanics in her youth schooling and working with her dad on cars. I like electronics and woodwork. We've also watched a few videos and seeing people patch up fibre glass hulls, she says it's a very similar process to doing fibre/silk on nails LOL.

I'm sure if push comes to shove we would be able to figure it out.

We agree with what everyone is saying, "No substitute for experience" just need to get out on the water.
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Old 12-10-2020, 18:30   #20
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At risk of spinning this topic in another direction, can I just say something about your wife's condition?
I am not a medical person myself, but I am working on a project with a very experienced and learned physiotherapist. And I sail. My observation of sailing is that you have a very real challenge physically. In that you have short burst of strenuous activity, often in uncontrolled conditions and awkward body positions, with sudden impacts to any and all parts of your body. These episodes are suddenly inserted into prolonged periods of sitting (standing usually difficult, not much opportunity for walking). The on/off nature of activity is a problem in itself - even for fit people.
Surgeons want to cut, clinicians want to supply drugs, and rarely do you get good advice about long term pain and injury management and moving well.
Can I suggest you look out on YouTube in about a month's time for a channel called Pain Free Movement. No quick fixes, but lots of free information about pain and movement. Seems like the more you can learn about how pain works, and how to build yourself up to move well, the better off you and your wife will be.
Otherwise, I can foresee a series of injuries having a serious effect on your sailing plans. Best wishes to you both - hope she gets on board. BTW - YouTube The O'Kelleys cover "Getting her on board" and Nick O'Kelly wrote a book on the same topic. Could be worth a look.
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Now that you have explained more about your wife's condition I will make a comment. Yachting weather conditions vary and it is not all calm seas, in fact, it is seldom calm seas. I strongly suggest that you charter a yacht for a week somewhere down in the Caribbean, maybe the Grenadines or St. Lucia, with a Captain and crew( not the USVI or the BVI) where you will be in the trade winds and you will be in various sea states and see how your wife copes before you contemplate buying one.
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Almost impossible to live aboard in Victoria and NSW unless regulations have changed. Definitely not Melbourne. Might have to do it in Tasmania.
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woah - Really good piece of information, thanks for that! Didn't even consider this as an obstacle.
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Almost impossible to live aboard in Victoria and NSW unless regulations have changed. Definitely not Melbourne. Might have to do it in Tasmania.
i have no idea what 'regulations' you refer to, but we have been living aboard in nsw (and queensland) for years...as have many of our friends. never had any issue with anyone over it

in the bay here right now there are 4 or 5 permanent liveaboards...

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i have no idea what 'regulations' you refer to, but we have been living aboard in nsw (and queensland) for years...as have many of our friends. never had any issue with anyone over it

in the bay here right now there are 4 or 5 permanent liveaboards...

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There's a lot of threads on this subject. I suggest the OP search for them. Living aboard permanently is definitely not allowed in NSW. You can live on your boat 3 days a week last time I checked. You can't even anchor for more than 90 days in NSW in any calender year.

Then there is 'sneak aboard'. I'm not aware of any Marinas in NSW that allow permanent liveaboard.
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There's a lot of threads on this subject. I suggest the OP search for them. Living aboard permanently is definitely not allowed in NSW. You can live on your boat 3 days a week last time I checked. You can't even anchor for more than 90 days in NSW in any calender year.

Then there is 'sneak aboard'. I'm not aware of any Marinas in NSW that allow permanent liveaboard.
are we talking about living in a marina or on anchor ? do you do either or are you just repeating what you've read / been told ?

the anchoring rule is there but waterways admit they cannot enforce it, and don't even try unless someone makes a nuisance. we have been anchored here since april. waterways guy goes past regularly and waves.

there are literally hundreds of permanent live-aboards all over nsw...we know them / talk to them on a daily basis. plenty are on marinas (yamba & coffs hrbr are just 2)

but you go ahead and keep believing whatever you like

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are we talking about living in a marina or on anchor ? do you do either or are you just repeating what you've read / been told ?

the anchoring rule is there but waterways admit they cannot enforce it, and don't even try unless someone makes a nuisance. we have been anchored here since april. waterways guy goes past regularly and waves.

there are literally hundreds of permanent live-aboards all over nsw...we know them / talk to them on a daily basis. plenty are on marinas (yamba & coffs hrbr are just 2)

but you go ahead and keep believing whatever you like

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Hi There,

No need to be snarky, I'm just trying to help here. The legality of living aboard in NSW and VIC whether in marina or anchored/moored is not clear cut as it is in Tas, QLD and a lot of other places. Like you said waterways rules are there but not always enforced. I have yet to find a marina that openly advertises livaboards in NSW or VIC. But I heard some will turn a blind eye if you call up and talk to them in person.

I'm merely suggesting the OP should check with a marina he is thinking of before assuming they will let him liveaboard. And know that living aboard your own mooring ball is not technically legal although you maybe able to get away with it.

Have a good day.

PS. There is a big difference between telling the water police/marina you are there temporarily for a few month then moving on compared to saying you are living aboard 'permanently' in one location. Of course you are allowed to cruise around and liveaboard.
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https://www.wyndhamharbour.com.au/ma.../marina-rules/

Prices seem really good and they allow liveaboard if some conditions are satisfied. It's quite new so wasn't around when I researched it a few years back. It's in Werribee.
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Well, all we can do is speak from experience... which is that we knew absolutely nothing 2 years ago about either boats or how to sail them, but we bought a boat (sight unseen), moved aboard and have been slowly figuring everything else out since (while also living our dream of island hopping around the Caribbean).

If sailing is your biggest fear/concern, it probably shouldn't be. Learning to make the boat go where you want it to actually turns out to be pretty easy.

The thing that we see others struggling with is more about the things you don't expect (living in a small space together 24/7, having to do all of your own maintenance and repairs, having to learn and deal with weather, etc)... but any and all of these things can in fact be learned aboard your own boat, and many people do.

Is it right for everyone... of course not.
No one path is right for everyone, but I think many many people out cruising would also admit that they had no idea how to sail when they left and/or that the courses they took before leaving actually did very little to prep them for what the lifestyle really had in store for them.

In terms of boat... especially given the injury concerns I would strongly suggest you look at a catamaran. If pain/comfort is already an issue, there NO question that a catamaran will provide more comfort and an easier transition from life on land. I'm not saying cats are better... but I think very few would argue that they are easier and more comfortable regardless of condition.
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