Cruisers Forum
 


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 17-08-2019, 01:09   #121
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2018
Boat: 50ft Custom Fast Catamaran
Posts: 4,531
Re: Is liveaboard lifestyle a dying lifestyle

Quote:
Originally Posted by john61ct View Post
My point was we don't require marinas to do that.

You expressed incredulity, stating that of course all cruising boats need to use marinas.

Were you really only thinking about haulouts when you expressed that?

If so then I (and I think many others) missed that implication.
Mostly, yes. But how about replacing larger refrigerators like the one in Simi 60's galley? Does he really think he'll just plop that in the dinghy? Lol

Repower? New generator? New anchor chain? New sails?

There are dozens of things (including bottom paint) continuously wearing out on every boat. We all need marinas/boatyards to do maintenance.

I feel like those saying we don't either have never lived exclusively on the hook for years, or are just letting their boats decay. All that deferred maintenance will catch up eventually and they'll need a (guess what) marina to do an extensive refit.

It's just how boats are. They need to be taken ashore and worked on periodically to remain safe, viable platforms to travel and live on.

I mean trust me. I've tried it. I literally careened to do my bottom paint and zincs a couple times to try and be stlf sufficient with no visits to a marina.

PS:. I'm currently in Massachusetts. What are we doing up at this hour?? Ha ha ha.
Chotu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-08-2019, 02:40   #122
Registered User
 
Sojourner's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: On the boat!
Boat: SY Wake: 53' Amel Super Maramu
Posts: 863
Re: Is liveaboard lifestyle a dying lifestyle

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chotu View Post
Mostly, yes. But how about replacing larger refrigerators like the one in Simi 60's galley? Does he really think he'll just plop that in the dinghy? Lol

Repower? New generator? New anchor chain? New sails?

There are dozens of things (including bottom paint) continuously wearing out on every boat. We all need marinas/boatyards to do maintenance.

I feel like those saying we don't either have never lived exclusively on the hook for years, or are just letting their boats decay. All that deferred maintenance will catch up eventually and they'll need a (guess what) marina to do an extensive refit.

It's just how boats are. They need to be taken ashore and worked on periodically to remain safe, viable platforms to travel and live on.

I mean trust me. I've tried it. I literally careened to do my bottom paint and zincs a couple times to try and be stlf sufficient with no visits to a marina.

PS:. I'm currently in Massachusetts. What are we doing up at this hour?? Ha ha ha.
It sounds like people are talking two different conversations: needing a MARINA to hang out in, vs needing a yard to HAUL OUT a boat for fixin. We could easily do without marinas at all. Boat is made to go around the world, and we have everything we need to do that, even if we just sit around on anchor for 3 months (tho we enjoy marinas every week or two). Periodically, all boats need to come out of the water. If you need the fridge replaced, take care of it while you do other stuff you need to do every few years. But even going into a marina for a day to get a new fridge to me is not needing a marina in the sense of this thread.
Sojourner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-08-2019, 03:07   #123
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Boat in Puerto Lucia, Ecuador, Body in SE Australia, Heart in Patagonia....
Boat: Westerly Sealord
Posts: 6,242
Re: Is liveaboard lifestyle a dying lifestyle

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sojourner View Post
......Periodically, all boats need to come out of the water. .........
Thats why they invented tides.....
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0008.JPG.jpg
Views:	54
Size:	158.8 KB
ID:	197976   Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_5087.jpg
Views:	54
Size:	216.5 KB
ID:	197977  

Click image for larger version

Name:	P1020047.jpg
Views:	52
Size:	268.5 KB
ID:	197978  
El Pinguino is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 17-08-2019, 03:33   #124
Freelance Delivery Skipper..
 
boatman61's Avatar

Community Sponsor
Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PORTUGAL
Posts: 25,663
Images: 2
pirate Re: Is liveaboard lifestyle a dying lifestyle

Quote:
Originally Posted by wingssail View Post
Where "off the beaten path" can you find a marina with all the amenities for well less than $1000 a month, and how many months in advance would you have to pay to get that rate?

SailorBoy mentioned Gulfport, and that's a possibility, but hurricane alley and Mississippi bay depths kinda turn us off. But hey let's be open minded.
Figuera da Foz, W Portugal.. It was costing me €1800/yr for my 39ftr.. no swimming pool though..
Re live aboard as.a dying life style, beats the hell outa old folks home dying lifestyle..
__________________


Born To Be Wild.. Double Click on the picture.
boatman61 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-08-2019, 03:37   #125
Registered User
 
skipgundlach's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Currently on the boat, somewhere on the ocean, living the dream
Boat: Morgan 461 S/Y Flying Pig
Posts: 2,034
Send a message via Skype™ to skipgundlach
Re: Is liveaboard lifestyle a dying lifestyle

Quote:
Originally Posted by carlwk3c View Post
We haven’t been in a slip in 2 years. Why does a boat “need” a marina???
We anchor, only taking a mooring ball rarely when we want to go somewhere where it’s required (a marine reserve, for example, where use of a mooring is mandated to preserve the bottom, or the rare anchorage where it’s extremely deep right up to shore.and a properly maintained mooring is the safest option )
I don’t understand the “requirement” for marinas.
What he said. The last time we entered the water was January 23 2013.

The last time other than to fuel or take on/disembark passengers that we touched a dock was solely for convenience as the management of the solar panels and 125 pound batteries is easier from a fixed platform. And that was in November 2016.

And we've lived aboard full time (road trips to grandkids excepted) for 13 years, 12 days...
__________________
Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig, KI4MPC
See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery!
skipgundlach is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-08-2019, 04:10   #126
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2019
Posts: 2
Re: Is liveaboard lifestyle a dying lifestyle

Definitely not. A few examples of Marina fees, restricted access and unfriendly welcomes does not constitute a dying of liveaboards. The World is bigger than the areas you mention.
OceanPilgrim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-08-2019, 04:25   #127
Moderator
 
Pete7's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Solent, England
Boat: Moody 31
Posts: 14,704
Images: 14
Re: Is liveaboard lifestyle a dying lifestyle

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dockhead View Post
But I love Northern European guest harbors, town quays, fishing harbors. An ideal cruise for me contains a mix of anchoring in beautiful spots, and tying up in nice harbors.
I think this is one of your favourites, Weymouth on the southern English coast. There has been a succession of gales and heavy rain over the past week so we took shelter alongside the harbour wall, did some jobs, a couple of laundry runs and topped up the water, its free and you can drink straight from the tap without worry. We are off on Monday ditch crawling up a favourite river 5 hours away for a few days. Life is good.

Pete
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	WH.jpg
Views:	61
Size:	380.0 KB
ID:	197987  
Pete7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-08-2019, 05:24   #128
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2018
Boat: Norseman 447cc
Posts: 179
Re: Is liveaboard lifestyle a dying lifestyle

They all need a marina every so often for repairs, bottom painting, etc. The difference is a boat that is highly self sufficient with things like a water maker, solar panels and/or wind generators, a sizable battery bank etc. With the right equipment and ground tackle marina visits can be infrequent. The larger issue is the ever increasing restriction on anchoring long term along the coasts of the US and access to land to deal with shoreside needs like food.

As for the OP growing old on the hook can be daunting and long term marina stays can be far more feasible.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chotu View Post
This is a great sub topic.

Can anyone come up with a boat that doesn't need marinas?

I'm sure stumped.
svspirited is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-08-2019, 06:20   #129
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 68
Re: Is liveaboard lifestyle a dying lifestyle

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chotu View Post
Two words: Bottom Paint

And there are about a million other things wearing out on your boat you need to replace. All on borrowed time.
The discussion was about marinas, not boat yards. We need a boatyard for haul out every 2-3 years.
That’s NOT the “needing a marina” that I was questioning.
I still don’t see any need for a marina, other than someone’s desire to make Boat life more like land life. (That is not our desire, so we have no need for a marina to park the boat in.)
carlwk3c is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-08-2019, 06:24   #130
S/V rubber ducky
 
sailorboy1's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Bahamas cruising currently
Boat: Hunter 410
Posts: 17,637
Re: Is liveaboard lifestyle a dying lifestyle

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sojourner View Post
But even going into a marina for a day to get a new fridge to me is not needing a marina in the sense of this thread.
you know the "sense of this thread", that's impressive
__________________
jobless, houseless, clueless, living on a boat and cruising around somewhere
sailorboy1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-08-2019, 07:35   #131
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2018
Boat: 50ft Custom Fast Catamaran
Posts: 4,531
Re: Is liveaboard lifestyle a dying lifestyle

Quote:
Originally Posted by carlwk3c View Post
The discussion was about marinas, not boat yards. We need a boatyard for haul out every 2-3 years.
That’s NOT the “needing a marina” that I was questioning.
I still don’t see any need for a marina, other than someone’s desire to make Boat life more like land life. (That is not our desire, so we have no need for a marina to park the boat in.)
Well, I guess it's semantics?

I'm from the east coast of the USA. Here, a marina and a boat yard are the same thing. Every "marina" had a travelift and a work area. Every boat yard (or yacht yard) has docks.

My apologies for any confusion on that matter.

If by "marina" we are really talking about a dock or quay, then I agree. We never actually need those until we want to get off the boat. Even then, I guess a "boat yard" could store it just as well.
Chotu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-08-2019, 08:16   #132
cruiser

Join Date: Jan 2017
Boat: Retired from CF
Posts: 13,304
Re: Is liveaboard lifestyle a dying lifestyle

There are people who liveaboard **in marinas* sometimes whose boat never leaves the dock.

And those who do "cruise" but only from one marina to the next, may not even have a dinghy, boat setup to run off shore power only.

The contrast between these, and those who live off-grid on the hook, only rarely availing themselves of a berth in a marina

is the sense of that discussion in this thread.

And yes they may well use boatyards for maintenance and repairs, more or less, but that was **not** the issue being discussed.

Clear now?
john61ct is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-08-2019, 08:21   #133
Registered User
 
RedFeather's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: New York City/Mastic, NY USA
Boat: Watkins Sea Wolf 25
Posts: 105
Re: Is liveaboard lifestyle a dying lifestyle

YouTube and Patreon seem to be blowing up with people living the cruising lifestyle and monetizing it. Husband and I bought our boat three years ago and do not live aboard but sail actively when weather and work permit. Can’t wait until we can quit work and cruise full time. There will always be attrition, but also new recruits.
__________________
RedFeather
RedFeather is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-08-2019, 08:30   #134
Registered User
 
Franziska's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Panschwitz, Germany
Boat: Woods Mira 35 Catamaran
Posts: 2,168
Re: Is liveaboard lifestyle a dying lifestyle

In general:

Marina=Protected harbour with pontoons, providing lots of individual slips for yachts.
Generally geared towards pleasure yachts.
Often incorporates a yard.
Typically camping site/parking lot atmosphere. Some like that, some hate it.
Needed if you want shore comfort style facilities for what ever reason.
Also useful if you want to leave the boat for extended periods as most provide security of some sort.
Tends to be expensive.


Harbour=Long dock walls to moore alongside, typically geared more to commercial ships and boats of any size.
Usually less pricey than a marina, but also with less luxurious amenities.


Boat/Shipyard=Repair facility for ships and yachts. Might be comely independent, might be part of a marina, might have a marina itself.
Needed for maintenance. Usually left once maintenance is completed.


Anchorage=Typically a protected bay where you can anchor or can take a mooring buoy.
If your boat is self sufficient you can stay there for extended periods.
A good dinghy allows you to replenish food and get rid of trash or simply get to shore.
Sometimes used by disfortunate people living on broken and unseaworthy boats who can not afford other housing.


Liveaboard=Someone living for extended periods on a boat/yacht/ship.
Can range from living in a marina and permanently staying on one spot, rarely moving. To cruising and moving every couple of days or weeks to a new spot.
Some enjoy it one way, some the other. Everyone to its own. Just as everyone pleases.


Personally I prefer cruising and exploring new places from anchorages.
Unfortunately true anchorages get less and get more and more exploited with offering commercial "services" which some might need, some might cherish and some might hate.
I prefer to have services not imposed on me, but to be free to choose those which I might want.

Do yachts with liveaboards need marinas? If your vessel is self sufficient and you are happy to live on anchor? Not really.

Do yachts need a ship/boat yard?
Yes, once in a long while almost everyone tends to need boatyard style facilities for maintenance for a limited period of time.
Franziska is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-08-2019, 08:31   #135
S/V rubber ducky
 
sailorboy1's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Bahamas cruising currently
Boat: Hunter 410
Posts: 17,637
Re: Is liveaboard lifestyle a dying lifestyle

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chotu View Post
I'm from the east coast of the USA. Here, a marina and a boat yard are the same thing. Every "marina" had a travelift and a work area. Every boat yard (or yacht yard) has docks.
I understand because I'm from the NE and pretty much every marina becomes a winter storage location. But once south where boats aren't hauled out each year it's a lot different.

But the whole "I don't use/I use marinas" thing has nothing to do with " the live aboard lifestyle" unless only the "lifestyle" of anchoring out all the time is the only "style". There are a lot more people using marinas and/or a regular combo of anchoring/marinas than just the "I only anchor out". You don't hear about those as much because here on CF you are somehow not a cruiser unless you are an anchor out low cost type of cruiser. The majority of cruisers measure their months as being good/bad as to whether they had a good time and not whether they didn't use a marina and/or spend any money.
__________________
jobless, houseless, clueless, living on a boat and cruising around somewhere
sailorboy1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
liveaboard

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Is liveaboard lifestyle a dying lifestyle resoluute Liveaboard's Forum 51 26-01-2019 10:37
Is the Cruising Lifestyle Dying ? Dudeman General Sailing Forum 164 11-01-2013 07:32
Transitioning to a 'Liveaboard' Lifestyle Matthewm0311 Liveaboard's Forum 47 25-09-2009 13:41

Advertise Here


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 22:03.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.