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Old 10-03-2018, 15:52   #16
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What does Zapped mean ? Trots ? flue ? head ache ? Death ? What ?
Ann Cate's quote is "One of the toxic fish had tested as OK,but zapped us pretty badly."

In that context, "zapped" means 'to be affected neurologically by ciguatera toxin'.

People (and cats) affected by ciguatera usually suffer vomiting and diarrhoea, as their bodies try to empty their guts of the poisoned fish flesh.

Neurological symptoms are common: loss of muscle coordination, headache, dizziness, tingling, numbness, unusual feeling of hot and cold, and pains and aches in muscles.

'Zapped" entered US English in the late 1920s as a sound symbol, representing the sound and effect of being affected by radiation, such as from a "ray gun", thermal radiation, nuclear radiation, etc.

So "zap" represented unexplained effect, especially effect at a distance.


Of course, since the late 1960s the word also means "to be affected by the musical compositions and performances of Frank Zappa." I recommend his music to you.
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For those not familiar this is a truly scary illness that has not received the publicity that it deserves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciguatera
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Old 11-03-2018, 17:33   #18
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Re: guide to sea edible sea fish

One of the other symptoms of Cigua intoxication is really intense subcutaneous itching that can be truly intolerable... scratching just doesn't reach deep enough, I guess, and it can make your life miserable. Also, your skin can become very sensitive to touch, and wearing clothes can be quite painful... and these symptoms can last for years.

And finally, for many sufferers, alcohol can renew symptoms that had abated (I think it releases toxins that have been sequestered in your liver). A friend who had a severe case would come by the boat and when offered a beer would grimace, hesitate and then say "give me a beer and a fork so I can scratch the itches".

And of course, it can be fatal!

Nasty stuff... one of t he pitfalls of paradise!

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Your best bet is to fish for Dorado (aka Mahi Mahi or dolphin fish). The same sites will also attract a variety of other surface dwelling fish like tuna and albacore species.

Dorado are notoriously undiscriminating. If it’s @ 6” long and flashy, they’ll hit it. I’ve made lures out of everything from tinfoil to old mylar balloons that have worked. Just google dorado lure and look at some pictures and you’ll see what I mean.

Easiest rig is a Cuban yo-yo hand reel although retrieving the line can be a chore. But there is no reel to corrode and no rod to break. Let out line, cleat it off, and then lead it about six feet forward and clip it to something. The fish will hit the lure and turn with it, pull it from the clip, then the boat will set the hook a moment later. Get fancy and tie an empty beer can to the line at the clip and it rattling down the deck will Larry you to a hit.
Our cat used to alert us to a Dorado hit.
He saw the dockline snubber on the 200 lb test fish line stretch and started meowing in a very loud voice!
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I do not know whether the kits are available again ...
... the International Association of Medical Assistance to Travelers (IAMAT) offers some informative discussion of it. Also, University of Hawaii will be a good source.
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The test kit is NOT available.
See also ➥ http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...oning-964.html
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Old 12-03-2018, 05:21   #21
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This is some of the incorrect info that Ann mentions above. The cigua toxin does not alter the taste of fish... unfortunately, I can personally attest to this in the three instances that we have eaten a toxic fish.

The test kits were removed from the market some years ago due to excessive failure rate.. which I also can personally report upon. One of the toxic fish had tested as OK,but zapped us pretty badly. I am not aware that they have been reintroduced as of now.

Our experience is such that we simply don't fish when in coral waters. We now have residual toxins stored in our livers, and if we ate a badly toxic fish the results would be quite serious, possibly fatal... too big a risk for us.

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Yes, lots of local lore about cigua which is rubbish. Like, layout a piece of the meat, if the flies wont land on it then its got cigua.
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I need recommendation for a book that can teach me how to catch small to medium size fish by towing the right kind of jig while single handed ocean cruising. No need to catch a huge fish that won't be eaten in a day or two and go to waste, unless the book can also cover how to preserve the catch so that it can be eaten over a week or two.
Maybe there is no such book, maybe advice from cruisers who have been there and done that.
So far I have been talking to the flying fish that land on my deck at night and die and I tell them how much I appreciate them feeding me. After the appreciation ceremony I slice them and eat them with a little lemon juice. Yumm.
Thank you in advance.
The Bannerot book recommended above is an excellent reference for what you want.

Ive often thought of trying the traditional sailor's breakfast of flying fish, but my stomach has just never been up to it in the early AM.
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Our cat used to alert us to a Dorado hit.
He saw the dockline snubber on the 200 lb test fish line stretch and started meowing in a very loud voice!
We used to cruise w 3 cats aboard. They got excited when the fishing gear came out, and had learned to recognize the sound of a drag clicker going off...they would bolt into the cockpit and start meowing...in anticipation of the sushi bar being open soon.
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Re: guide to sea edible sea fish

Not world wide, but see Vic Dunnaway's books on Florida game fish...most all are common Carib species too.
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Re: guide to sea edible sea fish

Are there any edible fish left in the oceans?

Seems none of the top level pelagic predators, such as tuna, are.

Unless you don't mind mercury in your diet. And minimata disease in your future.

I note from the Fiji Times that a Cook Islander, Imogen Ingram, has been cutting hair samples from neighbours and having them analysed.

See: Mercury levels in women - Fiji Times Online

I found that Imogen has a blog about her research into methyl mercury from fish consumption: https://islandsustainabilityalliance...n-the-pacific/

And that led me to the 2014 update of the Global Mercury Hotspots report by the Biodiversity Research Institute and IPEN, which you can download (3 MB, a pdf): http://www.ipen.org/sites/default/fi...or%20web_0.pdf
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