Global catastrophe / SHTF "survivable locations"

[wingssail]

Originally Posted by hpeer

Rumpie,

Imagining what does not work is easy. Figuring out what does work, not so much.

For me it’s more like..
“Hey Cuz, how ya making out? You need a ride across the Bay?”

It's more like, “Hey Cuz, how ya making out? What, you need a ride across the Bay? Well I'd like to help but my inflatable is half deflated, my glue has spoiled, my outboard motor stopped working about two years ago, and my plastic paddles have deteriorated in the sunlight, but hey, grab one of these sticks and let's go. I think we can make it before dark.”

[hpeer]

My point was more along the lines that my bug out island happens to be a place where we have a home, family and friends. I’ve put some effort into assuring I’ll be welcome.

[outbound_308]

Unfortunately with the size of the populations we currently have, relocating to a "better" more sustainable area just won't be an option if and when a shtf scenario happens. For one there is probably already someone there using the better area and they will be in a position where they now need to defend it. ie the french or anyone else who have moved to a more sustainable life style ahead of time.

[Ghostrider421]

Then you'd better leave now before Trump gets booted from office OR the financial markets collapse because the central banks don't trust each other OR it's the prudent thing to do.

I made my move five years ago - to Iceland to take care of my Dad. Iceland, during the 2008 housing debacle, jailed the bankers who took part. America rewarded the banks and insurance giants with TARP money.

Iceland applied for EU membership, but because of their jailing of the bankers was rejected. A good thing too - because the un-elected members of the Belgium boyz club call the shots. And, that's bad news for the people that live there.

While US banks keep 10% reserve on money, the EU banks keep only 1% on hand. So, if and when, there's another bank run ('29) they won't be able to cover the depositors money. Deutsche Bank is bankrupt and so follows Germany.

After Brexit, the EU is on verge of collapsing under the weight of socialism. It won't be a bad thing to live here as we have many family members now living here. We have sheep, beeves, lots of gardens, greenhouses and plenty of fish.

[hpeer]

Made my moves years ago.

[Hardhead]

IMHO, the best thing is to avoid a SHTF scenario at all costs. Many people have plans to go somewhere remote - but I imagine before too long, roaming people with guns will be trying to replace whoever is there. How many people can live in harmony in the woods and mountains, competing for wild game, and territory? It just takes one self-preservation rationalization to start a shooting scenario. From there, the best case scenario is that it breaks down to militant fiefdoms, rather than murderous anarchy. Depressing.

[Ghostrider421]

This is all true. Just remember that 240 yrs ago, America was owned by someone else.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Hardhead

IMHO, the best thing is to avoid a SHTF scenario at all costs. Many people have plans to go somewhere remote - but I imagine before too long, roaming people with guns will be trying to replace whoever is there. How many people can live in harmony in the woods and mountains, competing for wild game, and territory? It just takes one self-preservation rationalization to start a shooting scenario. From there, the best case scenario is that it breaks down to militant fiefdoms, rather than murderous anarchy. Depressing.

my plans to go somewhere is not dependant on a SHTF scenario ..
I just don't like most people they are usually self serving idiots.

[Mike OReilly]

I think some of you have been watching too many zombie or Mad Max movies. Yes, humans are tribal and murderous by nature, but we are also highly cooperative, social and empathetic. I’m sure the roving maniac with a gun is going to happen, but the far more dominate response will be people helping people.

The evidence is plentiful; all disasters, natural or human-made, produce a plethora stories of people going out of their way to help their fellow person. Heck, in the very real 9/11 SHTF event you only have to look to Newfoundland to see how people respond to overwhelming crisis.

https://comefromaway.com

I don’t think anyone has ever suggested I am a closet Pollyanna. I’m a cynic and as jaded as any. While there will be the small bands of idiots who think they can win by force, the vast majority of humanity will find ways to work together. It’s how our species has thrived.

The key to surviving and thriving in any SHTF scenario is to make yourself part of functioning, resilient community. The long wolves will soon perish.

[Rumpi]

There will always be a society as long as there will be people. It might not be one you like, but that is beside the point.

[Ghostrider421]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Heck, in the very real 9/11 SHTF event you only have to look to Newfoundland to see how people respond to overwhelming crisis.

That was because there was no place else to land. Gander has always been there for refueling stops, crew changes, etc. We landed in Corner Brook - I drove a few passengers to my home there. When I had no more room - we set up a tent camp in the field and dug latrines.

[daletournier]

Originally Posted by Rumpi

There will always be a society as long as there will be people. It might not be one you like, but that is beside the point.

That's a good point, even global warming (if this is true) isnt the end of the world, it may end our current way of inhabiting the planet but the world will go on.

Impermance is the only constant, constant change. Personally I think we have reached peak prosperity, life as we know it will change, with that change will come pain but life goes on.

Something I've picked up from this thread is those that prepare inadvance will do better, think of it as insurance even if nothing ever happens because thats what we do when we buy insurance, put something in place to protect us from something will most likely never happen.

[Rumpi]

Yes the world will go on. I am sure some will not like the prospect of living in some of the possible futures. But if you look around really close you will find people who don't like current society for whatever (ideological) reason. Every single one of this groups is trying to shape the main trend to it's liking. It does not matter if it is global warming, aryan christianity or big data, humans adapt and a new society emerges. Sometimes the transition is obvious and sometimes not, but for sure you are not living in your parents society.

As for beeing prepared that is pretty easy. Humans need water, food and shelter. Water and food you can store, shelter you find. If you are afraid of the zombie hordes I advise living in a concrete house with steel dors and shutters or dig a bunker in the backyard.

[Singularity]

Originally Posted by daletournier

Something I've picked up from this thread is those that prepare in advance will do better, think of it as insurance even if nothing ever happens because that's what we do when we buy insurance, put something in place to protect us from something will most likely never happen.

Basically consistent with the old practice known as premeditatio malorum. We all do this to a degree, but it seems that the more you do it, the better off (and less anxious) you are. Otherwise it supports the point that, just like not all who wander are lost, not all who plan for the worst are pessimistic doomsayers.

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[Kivalo]

Very true, humans simply cannot live alone. The idea of the rugged individual who lives alone off the land is a myth. As a species we need societies to survive.



If I were to use my boat in SHTF scenario I would use it in the immediate aftermath when anarchy and chaos reign supreme. I would attempt to stay away from other people as long as I could or until societies formed and some sort of relative order emerged. Then I would attempt to integrate into one of these societies by offering my boat and my services as it's captain as a platform for fishing or travel so as to "add value" to said society. I'm thinking that fuel for the diesels and gas engines will probably be tightly controlled if its even available and many/most boats will probably be heavily damaged or destroyed. If not, I guess I'm ****ed.



Of course all this is assuming I don't get whacked in all the shitstorm which is most likely.

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

I think some of you have been watching too many zombie or Mad Max movies. Yes, humans are tribal and murderous by nature, but we are also highly cooperative, social and empathetic. I’m sure the roving maniac with a gun is going to happen, but the far more dominate response will be people helping people.

The evidence is plentiful; all disasters, natural or human-made, produce a plethora stories of people going out of their way to help their fellow person. Heck, in the very real 9/11 SHTF event you only have to look to Newfoundland to see how people respond to overwhelming crisis.

https://comefromaway.com

I don’t think anyone has ever suggested I am a closet Pollyanna. I’m a cynic and as jaded as any. While there will be the small bands of idiots who think they can win by force, the vast majority of humanity will find ways to work together. It’s how our species has thrived.

The key to surviving and thriving in any SHTF scenario is to make yourself part of functioning, resilient community. The long wolves will soon perish.