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Old 03-11-2019, 20:17   #271
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I’m surprised there are no gun turrets .

Actually, I assume this thing would be about as useful as most of our boats. Although most of us have wind power, not just diesel, so there’s one obvious advantage. But either way, it’s a short to medium term refuge at best.

This whole bunker mentality of some in the prepper community is simply ludicrous. None of us is an island, and certainly not when the SHTF. A community of cooperative, self-reliant and resilient people will be the place to be for long-term survival.
I fully agree with you .
Did you see the solar roof on the sun deck?
And at 4,000 sq ft it would make a good off grid base for a small community of sailors .
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personally I am looking forward to the" catastrophic" sea level rise to give us new anchorages to explore but so far in the last 40 years I haven't seen anything aside from the same rate of rise per decade that we have seen for the last couple hundred years.
You may want to Google the term exponential.
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I watched the video.
That thing looked like a cool place to hang out, but the scene where it was underway was a joke! Take a look at how much of a thrust wake they are making and compare it to the pathetic speed it was producing. That thing would be going backwards even at full throttle with a ten knot headwind. LOLOL !
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Our species lost a lot with this goofy haphazard civilization experiment.
Now, we realize agriculture, and its evil sibling civilization, are inherently self-destructive.

'What happens next?' is the foundation of this thread.
Our inevitable return to nomadic hunter-gatherers?
Co-operative instead of competitive?
Consider Ernest Becker's theory on what role civilization plays in the first place (from Wiki):
The premise of The Denial of Death is that human civilization is ultimately an elaborate, symbolic defense mechanism against the knowledge of our mortality, which in turn acts as the emotional and intellectual response to our basic survival mechanism....By successfully living under the terms of the immortality project, people feel they can become heroic and, henceforth, part of something eternal: something that will never die as compared to their physical body. This, in turn, gives people the feeling that their lives have meaning, a purpose, and are significant in the grand scheme of things.

Becker argues that the arbitrariness of human-invented immortality projects makes them naturally prone to conflict. When one immortality project conflicts with another, it is essentially an accusation of 'wrongness of life', and so sets the context for both aggressive and defensive behavior. Each party will want to prove its belief system is superior, a better way of life. Thus these immortality projects are considered a fundamental driver of human conflict, such as in wars, bigotry, genocide, racism.

Becker died in ~1973, but he'd probably include climate change/environmental debates, including internet forum debates on the subjects, as immortality project conflict behaviors. FWIW I don't buy into his civilization argument; John Calhoun's behavioral sink observations really suggests that one has to be foolish to move to a population center if one's goal was to leave an indelible mark in the world (vs a grease spot surrounded by white tape). The perennial existence of laissez faire co-op subcultures indeed suggest that some of us just want to get by.
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You may want to Google the term exponential.
sorry but the increase in mean global sea level is a constant not exponential.
A discussion of that would however lead to a CC like thread drift .I have covered it rather extensive in several other threads that were about climate related issues I recommend you look them up .
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You may want to Google the term exponential.

Please provide any exponential function that matches recorded sea level rise over the last 200, 100, 50 years (or any other time frame you care to choose)
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I watched the video.
That thing looked like a cool place to hang out, but the scene where it was underway was a joke! Take a look at how much of a thrust wake they are making and compare it to the pathetic speed it was producing. That thing would be going backwards even at full throttle with a ten knot headwind. LOLOL !
it has some serious tankage according to the specs.
Just wish I could afford one filling of the fuel tanks a year.
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Please provide any exponential function that matches recorded sea level rise over the last 200, 100, 50 years (or any other time frame you care to choose)
From the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html

"Is sea level rising? Yes, sea level is rising at an increasing rate.

Lots of other credible sources make the same statement. It appears to be a rather modest exponent, but an increasing rate is, by definition exponential.

Good new for Newhaul’s floating concrete fortress .
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Good new for Newhaul’s floating concrete fortress .
actually it appears to be steel below the waterline with an aluminum superstructure welded together via a steel to aluminum composite welding bar.
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Please provide any exponential function that matches recorded sea level rise over the last 200, 100, 50 years (or any other time frame you care to choose)
I suppose this picture of fort Denison 100 years apart doesn't help the sea level rise case does it :-)
https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sl...?stnid=680-140
.21 ft in last 100 years looks linear to my eyes
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I suppose this picture of fort Denison 100 years apart doesn't help the sea level rise case does it :-)
https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sl...?stnid=680-140
.21 ft in last 100 years looks linear to my eyes
The interesting thing about the Fort Denison tide records are they are actual records, measured by a "person with a ruler or tape" not a laser beam or something from a satellite; I know which I have greater belief in!
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Here we go with the reason for thread closure...in three...two...one.......
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Re: Global catastrophe / SHTF "survivable locations"

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From the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html

"Is sea level rising? Yes, sea level is rising at an increasing rate.

Lots of other credible sources make the same statement. It appears to be a rather modest exponent, but an increasing rate is, by definition exponential.
No it's not.

Lots of functions (including all cyclic functions) have increasing rates at certain stages.


Half of a sine curve displays increasing rates.

Ever heard of a logistic function?


Then there's hyperbolic functions and lots of other polynomial functions which meet the same criterion
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Probably dangerous.

The jack up work barges used for offshore construction and the jackup oil rigs are fitted with ballast tanks sufficient to emulate the loading on each of the legs from all work and environmental loads. They are jacked up just clear of the water and then water is pumped into the ballast tanks. After the test loading the water is dumped and they are jacked up to their wave clearance height.

If that thing doesn't have a similar system it could topple over if one of the legs has a punch through.
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Easy, my place on the Rio Dulce. Its offgrid, has 2 wells, chickens, and is surronded by water on 3 sides for fishing (several varieties of fish & shellfish).

The nearby tiny village (~200 people) has done without public utilities or government services its entire existence (they only recently got electricity). Otherwise there are no public services...no police, no medical, no officials at all...the village takes care of all its own business...including security.

The Guatemalan government, and others of the world, could collapse and no one there would notice.


Well, I am not sure about that.. I think they might notice a few million gringo refugees who climbed the wall they built oh so many years ago to keep the Mexicans out and managed to escape what used to be the US and are now making their way down central america.. most of them carrying guns and they might get hungry after eying your chickens..

Anyhow..funny thread.. particularly cause I have wondered about this myself. Are all sailboat owners deep down preppers?

Well wherever one might end up, it sure as hell must be away from as many people as possible cause people suck.. and hungry people suck even more. So I am with the OP.. remote islands where only people with half a brain can get to (though some enterprising clown might load the last cruise ship with 10000 fat idiots and sell doomsday getaway tickets and crash your party in the Marquesas).. hmm damn this is a tough one!
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