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Old 01-11-2019, 10:50   #181
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Re: Global catastrophe / SHTF "survivable locations"

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What about long term loss of power...just look at Puerto Rico ) been over a year and still services are not fully restored )
As you mention, "power" trickles-down from the powerful... in only those amounts they determine will keep the masses from revolution.

As you mention, ThirdWorld individuals are content with their lot.
If not, they would change.
Their "services" such as electricity and garbage removal are FirstWorld luxuries... and usually provided by FirstWorld innovators at a significant loss.

Let's look at over-populated under-productive areas from the view of a global administrator:
Where do I shift my resources so the workers remain productive?

From a business view, non-productive slums such as Haiti and Puerto Rico are a write-off.
Re-establishing FirstWorld luxury "services" would be low on the list.

These are the facts.
This is the evidence.

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Yesterday, I visited my chums Eric and Bill on Puget Island in the Columbia River west of Portland Oregon.
Elevation == 3' / 1m. Above sea level.
A rough high-tide and a strong breeze could destroy their organic self-sufficient farm.
Do you remember the meme of the cartoon dog sitting in flames thinking "This is fine..."
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Old 01-11-2019, 11:00   #182
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As you mention, "power" trickles-down from the powerful... in only those amounts they determine will keep the masses from revolution.

As you mention, ThirdWorld individuals are content with their lot.
If not, they would change.
Their "services" such as electricity and garbage removal are FirstWorld luxuries... and usually provided by FirstWorld innovators at a significant loss.

Let's look at over-populated under-productive areas from the view of a global administrator:
Where do I shift my resources so the workers remain productive?

From a business view, non-productive slums such as Haiti and Puerto Rico are a write-off.
Re-establishing FirstWorld luxury "services" would be low on the list.

These are the facts.
This is the evidence.

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Yesterday, I visited my chums Eric and Bill on Puget Island in the Columbia River west of Portland Oregon.
Elevation == 3' / 1m. Above sea level.
A rough high-tide and a strong breeze could destroy their organic self-sufficient farm.
Do you remember the meme of the cartoon dog sitting in flames thinking "This is fine..."
heck add in one good rain in the columbia basin during spring thaw and that's all she wrote.
I prefer my 135 miles north of there
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except that I already live in the best place for shtf .

Booklet chart Pdf
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...4MPpwUfMD5klfO

Not to mention all of the wilderness to hunt and fish in
Heck one of the best areas on the planet just to live
Based on the population density of Western Washington and the Salish Sea in general I'd guess that the competition for the necessities of life might become heavy.
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I read some of these comments and I see fantasizing. People who are cynical and disgusted with modern society, government and thier neighbors in general. So they fantacize about escaping to some modern/primitive existence where they would be free from all that, and particulalry from the rules of civilization. They dream of total collapse of economy and government world wide because it would give them the excuse, it would set up the scenario in which they could imagine being able to get away with it

We’re a community of cruisers, sailors, mostly with sailboats, so our fantasy often includes them.

We’d live a patriarchal life on some small island and fish. We’d trade, use our guns to ward off those who came to take what we had. We’d make our own electricity and water, and live unbothered for years. Maybe some child like nubile young women from Second Life would be available…

Well, I guess if our current world is not to your liking then daydreaming about an alternate one is harmless.

Me, I’d rather daydream about how we could fix some of our problems here and now.

(But, Ha! I do have a place picked out for my own escapist daydream. Rugged, hard to get to but possible in a boat. Fish and seafood plentiful, population moved away but once supported numbers of people. Decent growing environment, moderate, not harsh climate, lots of building material piled up in the shoreline. If I took seeds and tools, maybe I could be self-sustaining before my sailboat turned into a rowboat. So I’m no different than the rest of you I guess.)
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Based on the population density of Western Washington and the Salish Sea in general I'd guess that the competition for the necessities of life might become heavy.
not really as bad as one would think . The majority of The population does live in high density centers with many thousands of acres of open land between . As well as rapid access to the open ocean .
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Old 01-11-2019, 13:20   #186
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The Greenland Defence Force still uses the US M1917 rifle from WWI based on dependability in extreme WX. Plus it’s .30!!!!

Your two choices are good ones!
Ah yes the American Enfield. I was trained on the .303 British Enfield and later M1 Garand and M14. Accruacy is more important than spraying 9mm rounds all over and not hitting anything.
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Most of the stuff hear is complete nonsense that shows the people writting it have no real survival experience and cant envision a global catastrophy.
Some of us have vast experience - and we will teach those who want to learn.

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Humanity has never faced this situation befor because if there was a war, epademic or environmental calamity it was limited to a place or region. There was always somewhere intack to help or at least rebuild. What we are looking at now is a world so interconnected that a major event could have a domino effect and spread everywhere. One thing nobody mentions is disease.
There will be disease as there was after Pompei and Rome's looting. If you plan on living where there is food now - you plan for EQ to 20S. However most of those migrants have been leaving in droves b/c there's a drought in Central America (above the EQ to 20N) and there's no food. Take a look at the calamity of Venezuela - this was caused by socialism and communism will soon follow. It has more oil than anywhere else in the western hemisphere - and always has. The Orinoco tar is endless - both China and Russia have spent billions retrieving it, while US oil companies ignored it. Maracaibo fields are now dormant - still viable but no one is working it.

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In the event of a civil breakdow the likely casualty rate in the immediate period will be in the order of 80% primarily from disease but also malnutrition. In the one to 10 years following pretty much anyone not a member of a reasonable sizes sustainable community will go. the few who remain will be sevearly pschologically traumatized and suffering from PTSD. There will then be a cycle of 3-5 generations of multigenerational inhereted trauma that makes communities very disfunctional. The few who survive this might the begin to rebuild something but more likely a different species will become dominant. Our only chance for longterm survival is to learn to live peacfully with each other without degrading the environment. Any other option will lead to extinction, the question is not if but when.
Fully expect 80-90% of the world's population to die from war, famine and natural disasters. The sun is cooling, which causes an increase in volcanic activity and earthquakes. Putting solar panels on your home or boat at this point is a waste of money and time. Install a wind generator instead.
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So, imagine the SHTF and the global economy collapses. Trade stalls due to lack of trust. Food supplies in cities disappear. Chaos in the developed world.

Yet you have a boat.....well equipped (you define).

Sooooo, where would you go, and why...??
Get some weapons and a gnarly crew, fast.

The hordes will come and take whatever is yours. A long string of them will die trying, or you will die. Anyone who has anything useful will give it to the hordes, or die trying to protect it.
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Ok guys I suppose its time to post this Pdf link again ( first time in this thread)
it will download a book titled sailing the farm. Its about basically living full time ( for the most part) offshore on a 30ft ( or so ) sailboat.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...SbNqBjfN8yQzAa

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South Western Tasmania that’s all I’ll say but there are places down there that can really only be reached by sea, are incredibly wild with access to ample land, fresh water and seafood.
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Have distilling and brewing equipment on your boat and you'll be welcome anywhere.
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Ok guys I suppose its time to post this Pdf link again ( first time in this thread)
it will download a book titled sailing the farm. Its about basically living full time ( for the most part) offshore on a 30ft ( or so ) sailboat.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...SbNqBjfN8yQzAa

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I can’t find the link, but there is a good projection website that would project morbidity/mortally with a nuke hit, could choose common payloads too, but I’d also not camp out near a target, though nukes don’t have the impact I thought they had, but still a thought, as dictators historically start to get froggy when the walls start to close in.
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