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Old 28-10-2019, 12:59   #151
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At some point there might be enough cruisers to make a “community” of our own. It’s one thing to land as a single few and expect to be accepted. But PERHAPS if a group made landfall and worked cooperatively together and with the local community to make for a better arrangement for all.

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This is all very true but have you considered why we would want you to join us? I am sure there will be many refugees fleeing the chaos and if they have valuable skills or resources to add to the community they could be welcome if there is room. If they are simply dead weight expecting a free lunch why should we take them. Can you fish, hunt, farm, build a cabin, have medical skills or something else valuable? If not perhaps you should thing about changing yourself not wondering about where to go. If enough people make changes, downsize, live more sustainable lives etc the problem would never arise so an even better solution is to work to implement climate targets, eliminate industrial food production and change the 'more is better' over-consumption attitude of the most industrialized countries to avoid a crisis. It is not yet too late but getting close, this decade being the critical one.
Excellent post excellent point.
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This is all very true but have you considered why we would want you to join us? I am sure there will be many refugees fleeing the chaos and if they have valuable skills or resources to add to the community they could be welcome if there is room. If they are simply dead weight expecting a free lunch why should we take them. Can you fish, hunt, farm, build a cabin, have medical skills or something else valuable? If not perhaps you should thing about changing yourself not wondering about where to go. If enough people make changes, downsize, live more sustainable lives etc the problem would never arise so an even better solution is to work to implement climate targets, eliminate industrial food production and change the 'more is better' over-consumption attitude of the most industrialized countries to avoid a crisis. It is not yet too late but getting close, this decade being the critical one.
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This is all very true but have you considered why we would want you to join us? I am sure there will be many refugees fleeing the chaos and if they have valuable skills or resources to add to the community they could be welcome if there is room. If they are simply dead weight expecting a free lunch why should we take them. Can you fish, hunt, farm, build a cabin, have medical skills or something else valuable? If not perhaps you should thing about changing yourself not wondering about where to go. If enough people make changes, downsize, live more sustainable lives etc the problem would never arise so an even better solution is to work to implement climate targets, eliminate industrial food production and change the 'more is better' over-consumption attitude of the most industrialized countries to avoid a crisis. It is not yet too late but getting close, this decade being the critical one.
Certainly, making oneself valuable is important. Your comment is a very good one, with one exception. This comment (If enough people make changes, downsize, live more sustainable lives etc the problem would never arise...) is not realistic in relation to this thread. The planet's climate has been changing for eons, and we have adapted.

Making one's lifestyle more sustainable, while a good thing, will not prevent disasters of a sudden nature that require one to move. Large or super volcanoes, tsunamis, major earthquakes, asteroid/comet strikes, epidemics/pandemics, the zombie apocalypse, and many other disasters have nothing to do with a sustainable lifestyle. They can and do occur suddenly and without warning.
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...Making one's lifestyle more sustainable, while a good thing, will not prevent disasters of a sudden nature that require one to move. Large or super volcanoes, tsunamis, major earthquakes, asteroid/comet strikes, epidemics/pandemics, the zombie apocalypse, and many other disasters have nothing to do with a sustainable lifestyle. They can and do occur suddenly and without warning.
All true, but there are some SHTF scenarios which we do have hand in. These are some of the ones where Roland’s thoughtful suggestion makes sense.
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Old 28-10-2019, 13:47   #156
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Re: Global catastrophe / SHTF "survivable locations"

I don't think that a sailboat, in and of itself, gives you any specific edge in a global extinction level event. The forces against you in such an event will be very dramatic and will overwhelm normal preparedness scenarios to where chance will play more into the fact if you survive or not.



For smaller regional events (think, big earthquake, power loss on the eastern seaboard, financial collapse in a country) they do offer some advantages over being locked into a location, especially a city.



1) The ability to move with supplies, tools and people to a different region.

2) The ability to pre-pay certain expendables (sails will wear out but by buying them prior to the event you have a period of time until they are worn out where you have mobility as an example. Solar, generators, hardware, spare parts all fall into this category).

3) Some renewable energy (solar, wind) and supplies (watermaker, ability to fish).

4) Way cooler than dying in an apartment in the middle of an urban warzone.



All the things that make it able for you to stay out at an isolated island in the Bahamas or Pacific for a few months may also allow you to weather a period of time away from civilization to see if/how it recovers.
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Making one's lifestyle more sustainable, while a good thing, will not prevent disasters of a sudden nature that require one to move. Large or super volcanoes, tsunamis, major earthquakes, asteroid/comet strikes, epidemics/pandemics, the zombie apocalypse, and many other disasters have nothing to do with a sustainable lifestyle. They can and do occur suddenly and without warning.
... and the majority of the genuinely probable events from your list above will either be:
  • localized, meaning it would be possible to evacuate to safety and help would come from the unaffected areas -or-
  • global, meaning that there really wouldn't be anywhere to run to
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... and the majority of the genuinely probable events from your list above will either be:
  • localized, meaning it would be possible to evacuate to safety and help would come from the unaffected areas -or-
  • global, meaning that there really wouldn't be anywhere to run to
actually more likely regional and or hemispheric in nature . To have a real serious long term effect.
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Re: Global catastrophe / SHTF "survivable locations"

Hard to say... someplace will always have “more” than others. Might take a while to play out so I might go hang... I am not telling. Somewhere cold with lots of fish.
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Sandy was pretty weak. My daughter went through Katrina, and then moved to New Jersey, and went through Sandy. We were without power for six months in Katrina, and didn't get out of a Fema trailer for eleven months.

In Sandy, my daughter lost power for two days, and cable TV for four, and had people up there asking her if going through Sandy was just like going through Katrina!

You tell me what New York city would be like for six months without power.
Most of the "really bad things" related to breakdown of society style stuff happened immediately during and after Katrina. Didn't happen that way in NYC. I was involved in the Coast Guard response to both, well aware of the differences. If you were still there 6 months later it was because you had nowhere else to go or chose to stay, we were offering free rides out on helicopters on day 1 as long as you were willing to wait on your roof
Bottom line is that you can't extrapolate the human response to a disaster before hand based on past disasters except to plan for the lowest common denominator, which we did a lot of in the Coast Guard. Of course we kind of had the opposite mentality of this thread, we were running to while you all are running away!
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Re: Global catastrophe / SHTF "survivable locations"

Pretty safe bet is the less inhabited Pacific islands. Where I’d rather be anyway.

Instead I’m in rural NY. Pandemic aside, we could survive, though most wont. People ask “do you keep a supply of rice? Canned goods?”

Naw, the long pig would be coming to me.

There’s a book “The Day After”’which follows an EMP. It’s rather straight forward. In six months all the game is gone, even the squirrels. Farms can’t operate without seed and equipment. Canned goods disappear fast, as do farm animals.

In NE USA even without the hordes it is very difficult to survive winter. Scrounging food is reasonable through the first major snowfall usually in December. Still, fishing is possible year round- for a small population. January through the Sucker run in March would be the real killer.

So we’d be stuck eating the walking dead. Better than nothing.

The Pacific. Plenty of food, no freezing to death. I suppose some might argue it would be good with the Inuit, but today and in a global catastrophe I’d rather be hanging on the beach.
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Pretty safe bet is the less inhabited Pacific islands. Where I’d rather be anyway.

Instead I’m in rural NY. Pandemic aside, we could survive, though most wont. People ask “do you keep a supply of rice? Canned goods?”

Naw, the long pig would be coming to me.


There is a reason those Pacific islands are less inhabited - they are already at their carrying capacity! And you will be the long pig coming to them - they won't be smiles of welcome
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This is an old antiwar submarine SHTF movie.
I remember seeing "On The Beach" in a theater when I was a teenager.
Now you can see the whole thing on youtube.
I highly recommend it.


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This is an old antiwar submarine SHTF movie.
I remember seeing "On The Beach" in a theater when I was a teenager.
Now you can see the whole thing on youtube.
I highly recommend it.
Thanks. Read the book decades ago. Didn’t realize they’d made it into a movie. Fun.

… well, maybe not “fun” given the subject and story .
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This is an old antiwar submarine SHTF movie.
I remember seeing "On The Beach" in a theater when I was a teenager.
Now you can see the whole thing on youtube.
I highly recommend it.


was required reading in junior high back then . Think about where I am my area is a prime nuke target . Heck I live across the inlet from a navy base.
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