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Old 14-03-2020, 21:30   #16
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Re: Fleeing Pestilence.... flight of fancy... or rather voyage of fancy

Hi Owly,

I was only kidding about the baby boomers.

Hi GordMay,

You obviously don't get our public broadcaster up there. One of their latest gems was instructional to nudists on how not to leave skid marks. It came complete with nudists and they weren't fit young twenty year olds. They don't need any help whatsoever filling the print media and airwaves with ******.

The post was slightly derisional I get that way when I go to the supermarket and see all the toiled paper shelves cleared out. Speculating on loading the boat up and heading to the south seas is a similar sort of response.
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, get a copy of Sailing the Farm if you haven't already read it. It's not written as a apocalyptic prepper guide, but most of the ideas and information can easily be applied to making your boat more independent.


Just looked up that Sailing the Farm... its here on pdf


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It is going to be a great read.. I may just be up all night going over it.
This guy really has it down.. at least for me. It is exactly the philosophy of sailing I intend to pursue. Amazing that he wrote this in 1981 and it is still so relevant. I think many people who are coming to this forum would find this an invaluable resource...maybe..lol.. the forum is very diverse.. as I am learning. Thanks for sharing this Mike!
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...It's material for a book or movie.... not a fantastical post apocalyptic "water world", but a serious examination of what resources are available and how people could utilize them for an extended period, with the idea that some day they could return to a more normal life. Think Rose Noelle.... 3 men adrift for 119 days in an overturned trimaran......a truly amazing story. They were NOT prepared, but survived in such good shape that people they met when they drifted ashore in OZ didn't believe their story!!
The story is ancient and in the Bible (Noah). I'm not religious, but apparently you just need to take either two of everything, or cut the load in half by making sure every one thing does two things.
If you do all this, and make it back, the future world might come to believe that Owly did all that and lived about a thousand years. You never know. But such a book nowadays might bring renewed interest in all the plastic classics that are rotting away...and increase the value of mine.
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Old 15-03-2020, 01:35   #19
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So I just finished "Sail the Farm".

I am very eager to try out his ideas. I wish I implemented these practices already. Once the cornona schmorona is over and I have gone through the cases of Spam, I plan to implement as many of his suggested practices to see them in live action before being out and nothing else but spirulina and mung beans for the next 3o days.

So now I am curious as to how many people actually utilize his tips in this book.. Do any of you grind your own flour?... make lobster chips?...How about making your own yogurt from powdered milk? I see that of course drying fruits and veggies and such is popular... do any of you also dry fish?
I know Mike Oreilly makes some extraordinary bread... is that made from flour that you milled?


I think using his tips that a person or people could sustain for a very long time and have a very nice variety of diet, flavors and so nutrient dense! I dont see any reason (outside of light and water ) why fresh produce cant always be in cycle.

ALl of that diversity from bags of seeds.... seems pretty exotic to have freshly picked strawberries for breakfast while in the middle of nowhere.

I was just watching one of the glamcat youtube channels.. and they were bemoaning the fact of not being able to find strawberries in the S. pac. and Ill be the schlub on a 30k, 40ish yo, full keeled, fat girl enjoying freshly made strawberry ice cream....3o days from nowhere cause I am sooooo slooowwww...lol... that just allows more time to grow another crop!


Eager to hear how any of you use those suggestions.,, maybe tho there is already a thread?
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the guys on Free Range Sailing on You Tube are probably worth following as they grind their own flour etc and forage and fish and seem pretty good at it and seem to be able to impart their knowledge without being too preachy.
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Hi Owly.

I noticed this bit in a post above:

Think Rose Noelle.... 3 men adrift for 119 days in an overturned trimaran......a truly amazing story. They were NOT prepared, but survived in such good shape that people they met when they drifted ashore in OZ didn't believe their story!! What if you WERE prepared? How would you be prepared?

I read the book and it was a great read, I found their use of woolen underwear and the complete absence of any skin problems after that long adrift very interesting.

However I think they drifted ashore in New Zealand and not Australia. In Australia we would probably have believed them but thrown them into immigration detention anyway.
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However I think they drifted ashore in New Zealand and not Australia. ............
Yep, they came ashore on Great Barrier Island a bit north of Auckland. They had departed from Picton.
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, get a copy of Sailing the Farm if you haven't already read it. It's not written as a apocalyptic prepper guide, but most of the ideas and information can easily be applied to making your boat more independent.


Just looked up that Sailing the Farm... its here on pdf


we.riseup.net/assets/268677/sailfarm.pdf


It is going to be a great read.. I may just be up all night going over it.
This guy really has it down.. at least for me. It is exactly the philosophy of sailing I intend to pursue. Amazing that he wrote this in 1981 and it is still so relevant. I think many people who are coming to this forum would find this an invaluable resource...maybe..lol.. the forum is very diverse.. as I am learning. Thanks for sharing this Mike!
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the guys on Free Range Sailing on You Tube are probably worth following as they grind their own flour etc and forage and fish and seem pretty good at it and seem to be able to impart their knowledge without being too preachy.
I like them also. I seem to learn a little bit each time I watch them.
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Yes, Sailing the Farm is a good read. However, I'm obligated to say (because I too am a writer) that as far as I know, the book is not actually being made available for free. It's out there in PDF format, but I don't know that the copyright owner has decided to give it away. I know the original author suffered a serious brain injury shortly after publishing the book, and has since died. I don't know who currently owns the copyright, but I assume it is either the publisher, or the Neumeyer estate. It is still being offered for sale.

https://isbnsearch.org/isbn/9780898150513

That said...

I do like the book. Neumeyer presents a lot of interesting ideas and tips which can be incorporated into a cruising lifestyle. Some are more, practical than others. And some feel a bit over the top to me, but I guess it all depends on what you want to achieve, and whether the zombies really are closing in .

My spouse generally approach our boat, and indeed our lives, with a view to simplicity and self-sufficiency. But we're certainly not preppers, nor particularly paranoid. I have directly incorporated a few of the ideas presented in this book.

As already mentioned, we dry our own food, and tend to stock the boat for many months at a time. We always have a small herb garden going when on board, and I also sprout seeds along the way so we always have something fresh and crunchy. I think I got these ideas directly from Sailing the Farm.

I built the solar dehydrator using StF plans, and have made yogurt (my spouse did ... I'm not a yogurt fan). I bake most of our breads, but don't mill our own flour. Of course we enjoy fresh fish and wild meats when we can. Mostly these have been gifts (hunters and fishers love to share the bounty), but we do fish ourselves as well.

I think mainly we're aligned philosophically with Neumeyer, and many other like-minded thinkers and writers. This is why I appreciate these kinds of threads.
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Canning ... I've never done that at all, and would love to try. Maybe I can learn from you folks. It's just that drying is so easy, and you don't have to bother with all the jars, etc. But still, I'd like to learn.

After I dry stuff I usually package it in vacuum sealed bags, and then store the bags in a dry, unlight place. Once dried and sealed the food will last for many years, perhaps even decades. I've eaten veggies that were over six or seven years old, and have had my dried ground beef that is over three.

You do lose some quality and nutritional value in the drying process, but not much. The ground beef (see below) reconstitutes to almost identical. Chicken and turnkey often remains a little stringier, but still good. The canned meats are identical.

For meats, the key is to remove as much fat as possible. This is what goes rancid, so you need to get it as lean as possible. Of course fat is also where some of the flavour and nutrition comes from, which is why you don't get back to 100%. But you can get pretty close with seasonings.

I mostly dry ground beef, but have done jerky style, along with chicken, turkey, and various canned meats like tuna and ham and miscellaneous meat parts (kinda like spam).

For chicken what I did was start with boneless breasts/thighs. Then cook it lightly, draining off all the excess fats. I then shredded the chicken and dried the meat. Worked great. I've also added chicken bullion and seasoning before drying to get back some of the lost flavours.

For canned meats use water-based, then drain and dry. Easy...

Beef is similar. Start with extra lean ground beef. Gently cook, and drain all the excess fat that comes off. I pat the cooked meat down with paper towel, again to remove as much fat as possible. I then toss in some flour, dried beef bullion (cube or powder), and then some spices like rosemary or garlic or whatever. Oh, and I usually dice in an onion and dry it with the mix. But you can pretty much do anything with the seasoning.

I used to do a lot of beef jerky, but got away from it because, well, it's just easier to work with the ground beef. Again, start with the leanest cut. Slice about 1/2-cm, then marinade in whatever turns your fancy: red wine, soy, teriyaki, etc... Let it marinade for like 12 hrs. I didn't cook the meat.

You want to dry meat on high heat, with lots of air flow. I had batches go off when there wasn't enough heat/air. By high I mean high drying heat -- you never want to cook the food when drying, so something like 70C is good.



The most effective way to remove the fat from ground meat is to boil it.... basically all of the fat floats off. It doesn't take long. I've got a notion to try dehydrating after lightly boiling. I've never been a fan of ground beef personally.


My dislike of ground beef was based on the typical cooking methods, and the fact that bacteria lives on the outside of meat, not the inside, thus when ground, you are putting the outside inside, which makes rare or medium rare burgers potentially dangerous, and cooked any longer it is not fit to eat IMHO. Aside from things like meat balls and the like........ which really do not resemble meat as far as I'm concerned.
Having been gifted 10 lbs of local beef from a rancher friend not long after getting my sous vide, I made it up into 1/3 lb patties, each in a sealed ziploc sandwich bag, and cooked sous vide at 130. This fully cooked it all the way through to medium rare with minimal loss of moisture.... I can't go anywhere. And virtually zero shrink. A minute or two on each side in a very hot skillet for a sear, and all the fat, and most of the moisture is retained, for a lovely pink tender sweet patty virtually the same size as I started with.



Poultry is always going to be stringy, but again sous vide allows you to cook for long periods of time with very little energy input (my pot is insulated). Cook time breaks down the protein strands in the meat making it more tender.........The longer the more tender, and that means it dries less stringy. Again the low temp of the sous vide.... I like 130 personally... does not destroy nutrients like higher temp cooking does, and pre-cooking allows you to dehydrate at a low temp. The jury is out on time at this point, but you can clearly cook chicken at this low temp to the point where there is virtually no stringy character left after dehydrating.......... I'm a low temp guy.


This discussion has inspired me to try a series of different times for precooking dehydrated chicken....... I have a bunch of Costco chicken thighs in blister packs. I have a notion to break them out, bone and skin them, and put them in separate bags in the sous vide water bath.... 4 hrs, 8, 12, 16, 20, and 24, then cut each one up, and dehydrate the works keeping them all separate. I like to cut chicken cross grain in chunks rather than strips.


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the guys on Free Range Sailing on You Tube are probably worth following as they grind their own flour etc and forage and fish and seem pretty good at it and seem to be able to impart their knowledge without being too preachy.

Thanks for that tip.... I suspect I'd enjoy that channel.....
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Ah... now there's the real dilemma!

Here's a pic I took of some dried food production. Ground beef on the bottom left, and various veggies. I vacuum bag them in packages that can be consumed fairly quickly once opened (2-4 meals worth).

Owly, good idea about boiling. Not sure if it will be easier than just using a big wok, but I'll give it a try. I prefer dried ground beef for its versatility when cooking, but to each his own. You do have to be careful about bacteria, which is why it needs to be cooked.
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The story is ancient and in the Bible (Noah). I'm not religious, but apparently you just need to take either two of everything, or cut the load in half by making sure every one thing does two things.
If you do all this, and make it back, the future world might come to believe that Owly did all that and lived about a thousand years. You never know. But such a book nowadays might bring renewed interest in all the plastic classics that are rotting away...and increase the value of mine.

It's a theme that has been repeated again and again from the Noah story to the present. As a teen, I enjoyed the book Earth Abides, where the author painted a post apocalyptic picture of scattered survivors of a great plague gradually finding each other and creating communities, of the environmental and social changes, and numerous other details. This seems the stuff of fantasy when looked at through the lens of modern times, but humanity has more than once been close to extinction in our distant past, and will be again.... hopefully not in my lifetime! Covid 19 is pretty minor in the scheme of things (I may not say that from my hospital bed about to gasp my last breath)..........But it is a wake up call. Weather the inevitable collapse comes from disease, climate change, warfare, asteroid strike, or some other unforeseen possibility, it will come. I grew up during the cold war, and did nuclear drills in elementary school... Get under you desk, cover your head with your hands, place your head firmly between your knees and kiss your ass goodbye....... Or something like that. Well over half a century ago, I don't remember the details exactly, but I do remember the deep dread, the nightmares, and of course the Cuban Missile Crisis....By the way it was Kennedy, not Khrushchev that "blinked"......... That "blink" was an agreement to leave Cuba alone. Khrushchev was the better chess player, and that was the goal from the outset..... But that's another story. It ended peacefully and that is all that matters to me!


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