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Old 10-07-2020, 04:24   #46
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Thus stick to women. Soon or later guy crew want to be Capt or think they know better.

At the end of the day it's your boat and you bear the weight of responsibility, it takes time to nicely establish your authority, it's not a democracy while undef passage, I explain this in advance.

I prefer women crew.

I've got to be honest, when my spouse and I looked at the crew wanted section here and on a previously recommended site, we were a little surprised (this word isn't quite strong enough) to see some specifically saying "women only".



I've built my entire career on hiring and working with the best people for the job, regardless of everything else.



It's one thing to have your own personal preference but I think it's something entirely different to advocate only picking someone for a job based on their gender. I'll freely admit that I am completely new to this and may be naive about how "things work" but in 2020 I don't feel there is room for this anywhere.


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So, we that said, we have no plans to discriminate in this manner be it paid or voluntary crew.


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Old 10-07-2020, 11:37   #47
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I've got to be honest, when my spouse and I looked at the crew wanted section here and on a previously recommended site, we were a little surprised (this word isn't quite strong enough) to see some specifically saying "women only".



I've built my entire career on hiring and working with the best people for the job, regardless of everything else.



It's one thing to have your own personal preference but I think it's something entirely different to advocate only picking someone for a job based on their gender. I'll freely admit that I am completely new to this and may be naive about how "things work" but in 2020 I don't feel there is room for this anywhere.


Rant over.


So, we that said, we have no plans to discriminate in this manner be it paid or voluntary crew.


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In a PC world I thought my comment may cop a little slack, the hilarious thing is I usually cop it from the other direction and are immune to the religion of PC.

Also ,I'm not looking for someone to "fill a job", Im looking for someone to go sailing with me. Generally but not always the guys have more sailing experience or can handle the boat better BUT this is not what I need. I need someone that can help out managing the boat and keep a good watch, I can teach the rest.

Why I prefer women crew:

Often less ego in regards to the way the boat is managed, it's my boat and I have years of experience thus have worked out the way I like things done. Lost a code zero recently overboard because a male crew decided where I have been stowing it on deck for years wasnt the right spot, he new better. We had rough weather that night and it got washed of the deck and dragged for several hours without me knowing. Many males often want to be captains.

Women often smell better "shock horror". Of course theres exceptions but often ladies look after their personal hygiene better and personal hygiene matters when living on a boat together in the tropics for mths on end.

And finally, enjoying a ladies company at the end of the day with a nice wine is a wonderful way to live ,this does not mean I'm trying to sleep them or have any other sinister plan.

Its amusing to me that we cant voice our preference for one gender over another when comes to certain parts of life, it dosent make you prejudice, I dont want to marry a man, is that sexist?
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In a PC world I thought my comment may cop a little slack, the hilarious thing is I usually cop it from the other direction and are immune to the religion of PC.

Also ,I'm not looking for someone to "fill a job", Im looking for someone to go sailing with me. Generally but not always the guys have more sailing experience or can handle the boat better BUT this is not what I need. I need someone that can help out managing the boat and keep a good watch, I can teach the rest.

Why I prefer women crew:

Often less ego in regards to the way the boat is managed, it's my boat and I have years of experience thus have worked out the way I like things done. Lost a code zero recently overboard because a male crew decided where I have been stowing it on deck for years wasnt the right spot, he new better. We had rough weather that night and it got washed of the deck and dragged for several hours without me knowing. Many males often want to be captains.

Women often smell better "shock horror". Of course theres exceptions but often ladies look after their personal hygiene better and personal hygiene matters when living on a boat together in the tropics for mths on end.

And finally, enjoying a ladies company at the end of the day with a nice wine is a wonderful way to live ,this does not mean I'm trying to sleep them or have any other sinister plan.

Its amusing to me that we cant voice our preference for one gender over another when comes to certain parts of life, it dosent make you prejudice, I dont want to marry a man, is that sexist?

The op is looking for a seaman to help out on passages , not a life partner

This could be male or female ...thatís up to the OP
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Women often smell better "shock horror". Of course theres exceptions but often ladies look after their personal hygiene better and personal hygiene matters when living on a boat together in the tropics for mths on end.

And finally, enjoying a ladies company at the end of the day with a nice wine is a wonderful way to live ,this does not mean I'm trying to sleep them or have any other sinister plan.

Its amusing to me that we cant voice our preference for one gender over another when comes to certain parts of life, it dosent make you prejudice, I dont want to marry a man, is that sexist?

Thanks for the note about personal hygiene, "good personal hygiene" is being added to the requirements list.


I have found that I can enjoy the company of good people regardless of gender and I do agree that is a great way to live.


I wasn't trying to call you out on your personal preference but I was calling you out on the "Thus stick to women". Seemed to be an all encompassing statement that women made for the best crew. Maybe we were being judgemental but seeing some of the ads seeking "women only" seemed kind of creepy to us.



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Typically I only take on extra crew for specific tasks

Long passages or shipyard haulout routines

additionally some regions are dangerous for the boat .. you stand 24 hour anchor watch

An additional watchkeeper is needed
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The op is looking for a seaman to help out on passages , not a life partner

This could be male or female ...thatís up to the OP
Hmmmm, did I say I'm looking for a life partner? I cross oceans , and crew help me with this.

"Seaman"....is that politically correct? maybe you should of said "Seaperson"..lol.
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Typically I only take on extra crew for specific tasks

Long passages or shipyard haulout routines

additionally some regions are dangerous for the boat .. you stand 24 hour anchor watch

An additional watchkeeper is needed

Probably silly question but why would a shipyard haulout routine require additional crew?
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Thanks for the note about personal hygiene, "good personal hygiene" is being added to the requirements list.


I have found that I can enjoy the company of good people regardless of gender and I do agree that is a great way to live.


I wasn't trying to call you out on your personal preference but I was calling you out on the "Thus stick to women". Seemed to be an all encompassing statement that women made for the best crew. Maybe we were being judgemental but seeing some of the ads seeking "women only" seemed kind of creepy to us.



I do value and appreciate the feedback I've received.


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No problem, but it's easy to jump to conclusions, I have a partner , she is no longer fulltime on the boat thus I take crew.

She is fully aware I prefer women crew for the reasons stated above plus more. I have come to this conclusion over a decade of sailing the world, you are living in a very dynamic, sometimes uncomfortable and stressful tight spot, its important that crew gel.

Now, others are entitled to choose crew based on any criteria they wish, male, female, black, white, short, tall, I dont care, what ever works.

Interesting I recently had a young educated lady and her older lawyer husband say to me "we need more women leaders because women make better leaders" my response was "how about we just elect the best person for the job, male or female"....apparently in their liberal leaning ways they were quite unaware of their predjutice....its a very confusing world right now, so glad I'm cruising paradise and dont have to play.
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Probably silly question but why would a shipyard haulout routine require additional crew?

maintenance schedule

Typical you have a mountain of work to accomplish in two weeks
Plenty on two man tasks

Running around town for supplies , Stripping off sails for service , patch the tender, life raft , safety equipment ., clean up ground tackle .. a very long list

Extra manpower is needed

Crew requirement can be very specific

Language ability ? Mechanical ability ? Physical size

After a few seasons you will figure it out and hopefully have a little black book full of good ones to call
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maintenance schedule

Typical you have a mountain of work to accomplish in two weeks
Plenty on two man tasks

Running around town for supplies , Stripping off sails for service , patch the tender, life raft , safety equipment ., clean up ground tackle .. a very long list

Extra manpower is needed

Crew requirement can be very specific

Language ability ? Mechanical ability ? Physical size

After a few seasons you will figure it out and hopefully have a little black book full of good ones to call

Oh, I see. When asking about crew I was more or less thinking of about "people required to sail safely from A to B".


We will definitely be hiring professionals to handle those tasks when required. I can get by on most things, will be learning about as many other things as possible but will still hire specialists when possible.
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maintenance schedule

Typical you have a mountain of work to accomplish in two weeks
Plenty on two man tasks

Running around town for supplies , Stripping off sails for service , patch the tender, life raft , safety equipment ., clean up ground tackle .. a very long list

Extra manpower is needed

Crew requirement can be very specific

Language ability ? Mechanical ability ? Physical size

After a few seasons you will figure it out and hopefully have a little black book full of good ones to call
Are you cruising or running g a ship? What your describing sounds very different from the cruising I'm experiencing.

Cruising for me isnt about getting from point A to point B, it's a lifestyle and part of that lifestyle , a big part is the company you keep.

I shared bottle of wine ,cheese and crackers last night with friends on their boat, watching the sun go down over the lagoon here in Tahiti,, it's the people that make this lifestyle wonderful THUS having great company when it comes to crew matters, you are living with these people and sharing wonderful moments.
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Oh, I see. When asking about crew I was more or less thinking of about "people required to sail safely from A to B".


We will definitely be hiring professionals to handle those tasks when required. I can get by on most things, will be learning about as many other things as possible but will still hire specialists when possible.
Typical trip

Transatlantic ,, you sail across, all is well

When you arrive you have many tasks to take care of before you shift into family cruising mode

These tasks must be done internally

Your talented extra passage crew is used

Job done Boat ready for action. and the crew flys home
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came across this elsewhere and thought it was pertinent

it's a quote by Bill Snaith – skipper of Figaro in ‘On the Wind’s Way’ (1973) (the underlining at the end is mine !)

“The ideal crew member is a rare creature indeed. He has the coolness, courage, and derring-do of James Bond; the inventiveness and mechanical skills of Tom Swift; the agility and strength of an Olympic decathlon winner. He has a fund of new stories, is a good listener, and is as neat in his cabin habits as Mr Clean. A crew should be skillful enough to reassure a captain in the fastness of his heart. The captain must know that when all hell breaks loose and he doesn’t know what it’s all about, someone aboard does and, what’s more, will do something about it. You start with these requirements and settle for what you get.”
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Hmmmm, I think mental illness is alive and well in everyone, I think it's just the degrees that vary, or definition....of course I'm an exception.


Of course you are :-)
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My spouse and I are in the process of purchasing a catamaran to become mostly full time live aboard blue water cruisers. I say mostly full time because my spouse will not be on the vessel during any passages longer than 2 or 3 days - hence the need for crew.


Is this sort of endeavour doable / feasible using volunteer crew? Hopefully my thought process isn't too out of line on this matter. Theoretically, the catamaran will be setup for single handed sailing but this isn't something we would ever consider doing.
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Yes Sir Captain, it is doable using volunteer crew. There have been many good replies to your question. I believe the crew finder on this forum would be a fine place to begin.



If you're looking for crew with experience, I would ask your potential crew for his background information and for verifiable references from past Captains. That should weed out a few.



I would also ask potential long term crew to pay for their transportation to and from the boat plus share in the expense of food. It only needs to be a fair amount; they should not have to pay for your cruise. 10$ to $20 a day depending on your lifestyle and should be paid upfront. A vacation, room and board for $10/$20 a day + airfare is hard to beat. This should weed out the ones looking for a free ride and possibly jumping ship at the first sight of land.



From experience I would not take on any vegans or couples, unless you are vegan. Or, you want a couple to have couple problems and they both jump ship at the first sight of land or they gang up on you about, just about anything.


Also, you and three crew makes for a much safer and happier cruise. Again, from experience. I think there are many qualified young people and retired people willing and wanting to crew for extended periods.


I have sailed for over 50 years but have not owned a boat in the last 35 years. I've crewed mostly since 2000 and met many crew members in that time. Mostly they were well vetted but a few were not and it showed only when we were out of sight of land. It's no fun (for me) sailing with drunkards who can't do their job and chain smokers who leave ashes all over the decks, unless you are the same.



All my 2 cents, nothing political or religious here so don't jump on me.
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