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Old 15-06-2022, 17:24   #61
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Tearing down heroís is popular.
I imagine creating 3 billion dollar companies and now certainly another puff up the ego a bit you say.
Letís never forgive him for being normal.
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I am fascinated by Musk. I truly appreciate some of his accomplishments. Of course he's flawed in some ways. We all are. He's acknowledged as much.

I think there is a risk that his success goes to his head. You can call that narcissism if you need a label. I'm sure it's temping for him to think he knows best about everything, given how often he's been right. Thinking they know what's best for everyone is what creates dictators. Hence my comment that we need to watch him.

Difficulty with empathy is part of his condition, and I think he's done a great job trying to compensate. But again, it's something to consider when deciding how much power he should be given.

No-one can question his drive and ambition. I honestly couldn't keep up with him, and I doubt he'd want to hire me. I don't want to spend all my waking hours at work. That doesn't make one of us wrong and one of us right. We just have different motivations and energy levels.
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Kind of sums up my feeling about Musk also. I know some people in SpaceX (who used to work for me many years ago) and they think highly of him. They don't always agree with him and keep him under pressure to "do the right thing" but doesn't always work.

He's a strange character and more so by his condition which makes it difficult for many people to accept him. I admire his drive, his ambition and his willingness to bet it all on one thing. That takes guts not many of us have.

But his eccentricity along with his vast wealth means he can do crazy things at times and is hard to control - I for one don't think he should be let anywhere near Twitter or any other media company. He's a great engineer, probably one in a generation but socially naive and immature (my kids would say the same about me). Can be a dangerous combination when not managed properly.


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I am fascinated by Musk. I truly appreciate some of his accomplishments. Of course he's flawed in some ways. We all are. He's acknowledged as much.

I think there is a risk that his success goes to his head. You can call that narcissism if you need a label. I'm sure it's temping for him to think he knows best about everything, given how often he's been right. Thinking they know what's best for everyone is what creates dictators. Hence my comment that we need to watch him.

Difficulty with empathy is part of his condition, and I think he's done a great job trying to compensate. But again, it's something to consider when deciding how much power he should be given.

No-one can question his drive and ambition. I honestly couldn't keep up with him, and I doubt he'd want to hire me. I don't want to spend all my waking hours at work. That doesn't make one of us wrong and one of us right. We just have different motivations and energy levels.
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Re: Dish Feuds With SpaceX Over Starlink Dishes Being Used on Moving Boats, Cars

Musk claims to have Asperger's syndrome.
In 2013, the syndrome was removed from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders [DSM-5], and now its symptoms tend to be classified under the broader, albeit related, category of autism spectrum disorder [ASD]. Doctors diagnose ASD as level 1, 2, or 3, with level 1 the diagnosis for high-functioning patients, with less severe issues.

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certainly does. And if the uplink is on US soil, it certainly does.

If other countries are involved, those countries have similar, if not more strict, requirements.
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I am surprised that the FCC has authority over celestial systems.
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FCC Seeks Input on Offshore Spectrum Needs and Uses

https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-see...eds-and-uses-0

FCC's seeking of comments on offshore spectrum needs, released this week, may not have ships and boats in mind, but it seems timely never the less. An outpouring of comments from the maritime community on the need for such broadband services can do no harm.
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How the hell does the FCC have the ability to regulate a satellite signal being received on a boat in international waters?
That's my thought too..
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That's my thought too..

They license the manufacturer of the equipment which happens to be a U.S. corp and itís more to do with the spectrum usage and not different markets.

Silly I know but thems the rules.
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I am surprised that the FCC has authority over celestial systems.
Interestingly you have to get a license from the FCC just to launch something into space, even if you launch it from India, if you want to do business with anyone in the U.S. Interesting article on a company that didn't at https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/10/1...out-permission
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Obviously we will all use the service that suits us bestÖand likely care little about legal wrangling.

But I personally feel it is important to remain aware that a choice between 2 battling monopolies is not really choice, at least not the type of choice that creates and maintains fair markets and innovation.

Some people see a intellectual deity in Elon Musk, some a demon. I see a tax-subsidized future Bond Villain. No one individual or entity should be allowed such outweighted control over so many varying industries. We need to tighten our existing laws against unfair monopoly, a good start would be enforcing the ones that already exist.
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Obviously we will all use the service that suits us bestÖand likely care little about legal wrangling.

But I personally feel it is important to remain aware that a choice between 2 battling monopolies is not really choice, at least not the type of choice that creates and maintains fair markets and innovation.

Some people see a intellectual deity in Elon Musk, some a demon. I see a tax-subsidized future Bond Villain. No one individual or entity should be allowed such outweighted control over so many varying industries. We need to tighten our existing laws against unfair monopoly, a good start would be enforcing the ones that already exist.

Not sure what you are referring to re tax subsidised - only subsidised piece is that SpaceX can get some funding for serving locations where there no current broadband offerings (U.S.). And this is available to any network provider, not just sat providers.

As for monopoly - they are just one of many but are ahead. Amazon is starting to deploys theirs, also Oneweb plus the EU and China are also looking at deploying their own LEO networks. We the consumer will have a choice of providers and also a choice of whether we even want broadband on our boats/rv etc
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I am surprised that the FCC has authority over celestial systems.
Kind of like the IRS...you are guilty until proven innocent in terms of their authority but...

Since it's a two way system, I believe the return signal from the ground is the primary control that is hard to get around. That is pretty clear cut under the FCC and would negate the system operating if your ground station can't transmit.
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in-mobile is a definition of moving- not being moved. This technicality is worth understanding as your FCC license for a radio is while the vehicle is in motion. skirting the rule are the discussions of using your equipment from your houses on your rv- which is not illegal as long as the rv is parked. same for on boat- not illegal if the vessel is moored.
these challenges are legit if the observation, even inappropriately, are proven to exist in widespread.
As for fees, charge what the market may bear.
I read a good deal of griping, but I also bring to mind that large corporations will stifle completion by either pricing, legalized warfare, or purchasing.
Look towards the methodology times four trails, to get high speed internet to rural areas. grants get sucked up by entities that do not have the FCC licenses, and vise versa. a small operator must be in business on personal funding and differing methodology to compete- and service to the customer. The tesla model does have many developmental shortfalls, including financing, so this lawsuit is simply part of the development.
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Kind of sums up my feeling about Musk also.............
Extreme success from a young age tends to make people a bit wacky.

Look at how out-there most movie and sports stars are. The ones who are down to earth are often noted for being down to earth because the stand out from the crowd.

From a very young age, they have been told everything they do or say is incredible, so eventually they start to believe everything they do or say is incredible. It actually makes sense but doesn't make them any less wacky.

It plays well with Musk's showman persona because he's not acting. He really believes he is incredible and anything he is promoting is the greatest.
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